Comments on: GOP Presidential Candidates Debate Marriage, DADT http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Tue, 21 May 2013 11:50:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Kristie http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96324 Kristie Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:15:47 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96324 It would have been nice to see Gov. Gary Johnson in the debate as well, especially since he is a declared candidate who met the debate criteria & is a pro-choice, pro gay rights candidate. (Also happens to be the only one with actual executive experience) It seems though that CNN only wanted to allow certain candidates to participate so they could continue to promote the "all Rebublicans are anti-gay" narrative. I really wish they had been able to put aside their bias long enough for viewers and potential voters to be able to hear the views of all the candidates so they could make an informed decision come primary time, but CNN apparently thought they were the best ones to decide who the voting public should hear from and who they shouldn't. It would have been nice to see Gov. Gary Johnson in the debate as well, especially since he is a declared candidate who met the debate criteria & is a pro-choice, pro gay rights candidate. (Also happens to be the only one with actual executive experience) It seems though that CNN only wanted to allow certain candidates to participate so they could continue to promote the “all Rebublicans are anti-gay” narrative. I really wish they had been able to put aside their bias long enough for viewers and potential voters to be able to hear the views of all the candidates so they could make an informed decision come primary time, but CNN apparently thought they were the best ones to decide who the voting public should hear from and who they shouldn’t.

]]> By: R http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96229 R Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:35:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96229 Just FYI, the crazy lady's name is actually Michele Bachmann. Or was the misspelling intentional? Just FYI, the crazy lady’s name is actually Michele Bachmann. Or was the misspelling intentional?

]]> By: J. Peron http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96211 J. Peron Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:46:37 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96211 Gov. Gary Johnson is supportive of gay rights but CNN set the rules and said he didn't qualify to participate. When his campaign showed CNN that he did qualify according to the rules they announced, CNN went and changed the rules to disqualify him again. Gov. Gary Johnson is supportive of gay rights but CNN set the rules and said he didn’t qualify to participate. When his campaign showed CNN that he did qualify according to the rules they announced, CNN went and changed the rules to disqualify him again.

]]> By: Rob in San Diego http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96208 Rob in San Diego Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:13:32 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96208 To either Timmothy or Jim, I'm surprised that you didn't do a story on the Ann Coulter interview on O'Rilley from Tuesday night. They talk about the Republican debate on CNN and about Ron Paul's suggestion to get the government out of marriage. In her own words "Saying government should be out of it is a perfectly good answer for 90 percent of the questions you will ever be presented with. It is not a good answer to what do you think of gay marriage. Oh, we should just get governments out of the business of marriage. No, I'm sorry, marriage has consequences. Who gets to adopt? Who pays alimony? Who inherits? Some of this can be dealt with by private contract, but some of it can't." She goes on to say "Because there are a thousand legal consequences to marriage." To me she just basically explained to me why we need marriage equality. So let me get this straight, married straight couple getting divorced need marriage and all the rights and responsibilities associated with it to separate all personal belongings and wealth. But if your a same-sex couple and you've lived together all your life and your property and wealth is shared, how do you separate that? Where as their argument is that we don't need marriage equality, that we can just get thousands of contracts done between lawyers, she herself just said that not everything can be done by private contract. To either Timmothy or Jim, I’m surprised that you didn’t do a story on the Ann Coulter interview on O’Rilley from Tuesday night. They talk about the Republican debate on CNN and about Ron Paul’s suggestion to get the government out of marriage. In her own words “Saying government should be out of it is a perfectly good answer for 90 percent of the questions you will ever be presented with. It is not a good answer to what do you think of gay marriage. Oh, we should just get governments out of the business of marriage. No, I’m sorry, marriage has consequences. Who gets to adopt? Who pays alimony? Who inherits? Some of this can be dealt with by private contract, but some of it can’t.”

She goes on to say “Because there are a thousand legal consequences to marriage.”

To me she just basically explained to me why we need marriage equality. So let me get this straight, married straight couple getting divorced need marriage and all the rights and responsibilities associated with it to separate all personal belongings and wealth.

But if your a same-sex couple and you’ve lived together all your life and your property and wealth is shared, how do you separate that?

Where as their argument is that we don’t need marriage equality, that we can just get thousands of contracts done between lawyers, she herself just said that not everything can be done by private contract.

]]> By: Hello http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96177 Hello Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:50:00 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96177 What is dangerous are these candidates who believe one person is less than another. Who believe the Constitution was meant for some, not all. Who believe the true enemies are gays. And who insist the christian god should rule the United States no matter the consequences. And to think, some gays support these jackarses even if it means sending us ALL back to the dark ages. What is dangerous are these candidates who believe one person is less than another. Who believe the Constitution was meant for some, not all. Who believe the true enemies are gays. And who insist the christian god should rule the United States no matter the consequences.

And to think, some gays support these jackarses even if it means sending us ALL back to the dark ages.

]]> By: lurker http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96165 lurker Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:41:04 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96165 Interesting that Bachman got a round of applause when she said that as president she wouldn't try to mess with NH's marriage laws. Presumably from a dedicated republican crowd (?) Interesting that Bachman got a round of applause when she said that as president she wouldn’t try to mess with NH’s marriage laws. Presumably from a dedicated republican crowd (?)

]]> By: Mark F. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96162 Mark F. Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:21:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96162 Graham: Ron Paul was one of the handful of Republicans to support repealing DADT. Graham:

Ron Paul was one of the handful of Republicans to support repealing DADT.

]]> By: Rob in San Diego http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96153 Rob in San Diego Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:55:39 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96153 I have no idea what Bachman is saying and I don't think she does either, on one hand she's saying she want's a constitutional amendment and then on the other hand she says that it's not the role of the president to go in and interfere with their laws. Isn't that like having your cake and eating it too? And I don't understand why everyone has to confer with the military commanders, your the commander in chief, you tell them what to do! I have no idea what Bachman is saying and I don’t think she does either, on one hand she’s saying she want’s a constitutional amendment and then on the other hand she says that it’s not the role of the president to go in and interfere with their laws. Isn’t that like having your cake and eating it too?

And I don’t understand why everyone has to confer with the military commanders, your the commander in chief, you tell them what to do!

]]> By: Erin http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96149 Erin Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:32:41 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96149 The only thing more infuriating than Paul's usual government-free marriage crap was Newt's blatant lie that the majority of military service members opposed repeal. The only thing more infuriating than Paul’s usual government-free marriage crap was Newt’s blatant lie that the majority of military service members opposed repeal.

]]> By: David Malcolm http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/14/34201/comment-page-1#comment-96145 David Malcolm Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:23:33 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=34201#comment-96145 I get the feeling that several of them plan on promoting various military people who oppose the DADT repeal. I get the feeling that several of them plan on promoting various military people who oppose the DADT repeal.

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