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	<title>Comments on: Christie on gays, sin, and civil unions</title>
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		<title>By: Throbert McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Throbert McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although off the top of my head, the only case I know of where American Catholics were formally excommunicated over the SSM issue did involve &quot;rank-and-file laypeople&quot;!

(I&#039;m thinking of the lesbian couple who traveled to Canada to get married, and upon returning home, they gave news interviews in which they emphasized that they were gay and Roman Catholic and that the thought the church was wrong.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although off the top of my head, the only case I know of where American Catholics were formally excommunicated over the SSM issue did involve &#8220;rank-and-file laypeople&#8221;!</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m thinking of the lesbian couple who traveled to Canada to get married, and upon returning home, they gave news interviews in which they emphasized that they were gay and Roman Catholic and that the thought the church was wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: Throbert McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Throbert McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, this interview definitely seems to cross the line into &quot;Excommunicate-able&quot; territory, and it&#039;ll be interesting to see if any conservative bishops and other senior clergy attempt to use the threat of formal excommunication against Christie. 

From the RCC&#039;s point-of-view, they&#039;d probably rather save the excommunication threats as their weapon of last resort just in case the NJ legislature passed a same-sex marriage law and Christie showed signs that he was thinking about signing it instead of vetoing it. 

On the other hand, the RCC&#039;s position is that Catholics should equally oppose same-sex civil unions just as much as SSM. And while there&#039;s essentially zero chance that a rank-and-file Catholic layperson would be excommunicated for the offense of publicly supporting civil unions, for a politician of Christie&#039;s prominence to do so could be a different matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, this interview definitely seems to cross the line into &#8220;Excommunicate-able&#8221; territory, and it&#8217;ll be interesting to see if any conservative bishops and other senior clergy attempt to use the threat of formal excommunication against Christie. </p>
<p>From the RCC&#8217;s point-of-view, they&#8217;d probably rather save the excommunication threats as their weapon of last resort just in case the NJ legislature passed a same-sex marriage law and Christie showed signs that he was thinking about signing it instead of vetoing it. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the RCC&#8217;s position is that Catholics should equally oppose same-sex civil unions just as much as SSM. And while there&#8217;s essentially zero chance that a rank-and-file Catholic layperson would be excommunicated for the offense of publicly supporting civil unions, for a politician of Christie&#8217;s prominence to do so could be a different matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Throbert McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Throbert McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As soon as they begin with “my church” I have to interrupt and ask them if they are Roman Catholic, would they accept Papist Union as long as it has the same legal rights as marriage&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think that would really be an appropriate response to this particular interview, though, because Christie didn&#039;t use the phrase &lt;i&gt;my church&lt;/i&gt; when explaining why he supported &quot;same-sex &lt;b&gt;civil unions&lt;/b&gt;&quot; but only &quot;one man, one woman &lt;b&gt;marriage&lt;/b&gt;.&quot; 

In other words, he didn&#039;t invoke &quot;my church&quot; in the discussion of what the secular government&#039;s policy should be, but only when discussing his personal views on whether homosexuality is a &quot;sin.&quot;

However, I agree with your general point, that &quot;Shouldn&#039;t you be insisting that second marriages should legally be called Adultery Unions?&quot;, is a very logical response when Christians use &quot;my church says...&quot; in the SSM debate.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think that would really be an appropriate response to this particular interview, though, because Christie didn&#8217;t use the phrase <i>my church</i> when explaining why he supported &#8220;same-sex <b>civil unions</b>&#8221; but only &#8220;one man, one woman <b>marriage</b>.&#8221; </p>
<p>In other words, he didn&#8217;t invoke &#8220;my church&#8221; in the discussion of what the secular government&#8217;s policy should be, but only when discussing his personal views on whether homosexuality is a &#8220;sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I agree with your general point, that &#8220;Shouldn&#8217;t you be insisting that second marriages should legally be called Adultery Unions?&#8221;, is a very logical response when Christians use &#8220;my church says&#8230;&#8221; in the SSM debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hummm...when he says, &quot;I believe it is a &#039;sin&#039;, but I&#039;m going to vote for it anyway, because I could be wrong&quot;, then he might be a true leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hummm&#8230;when he says, &#8220;I believe it is a &#8216;sin&#8217;, but I&#8217;m going to vote for it anyway, because I could be wrong&#8221;, then he might be a true leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 05:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as they begin with &quot;my church&quot; I have to interrupt and ask them if they are Roman Catholic, would they accept Papist Union as long as it has the same legal rights as marriage,  or Baptist union.  If it&#039;s a second or more marriage, would they accept Adultery Union? Christian churches teach that.  It&#039;s in the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as they begin with &#8220;my church&#8221; I have to interrupt and ask them if they are Roman Catholic, would they accept Papist Union as long as it has the same legal rights as marriage,  or Baptist union.  If it&#8217;s a second or more marriage, would they accept Adultery Union? Christian churches teach that.  It&#8217;s in the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t like him.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he&#039;s a little bit less of an asshole than previously thought.  Woo hoo!

Still, I WOULD trade him for my governor.  I&#039;d trade Super Satan for my governor.  He&#039;s only about half as evil as Rick Scott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he&#8217;s a little bit less of an asshole than previously thought.  Woo hoo!</p>
<p>Still, I WOULD trade him for my governor.  I&#8217;d trade Super Satan for my governor.  He&#8217;s only about half as evil as Rick Scott.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the initial assessment was spot-on.  &quot;No friend.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the initial assessment was spot-on.  &#8220;No friend.&#8221;</p>
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