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	<title>Comments on: Will Dean Skelos allow New York to have marriage equality?</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/16/34319/comment-page-1#comment-96594</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy said &quot;Gosh. Does Roberts doing pro-bono work in Romer v. Evans to overturn Colorado’s anti-gay Amendment 2 get credit?&quot;.

You&#039;ll note Timothy I said &quot;IF&quot; they had never issued any opinion&#039;s on gay related cases, which any intelligent person would recognize also applies to &quot;IF&quot; they had done any pro-gay work as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy said &#8220;Gosh. Does Roberts doing pro-bono work in Romer v. Evans to overturn Colorado’s anti-gay Amendment 2 get credit?&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll note Timothy I said &#8220;IF&#8221; they had never issued any opinion&#8217;s on gay related cases, which any intelligent person would recognize also applies to &#8220;IF&#8221; they had done any pro-gay work as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/16/34319/comment-page-1#comment-96591</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I forgot to add, no credit is due to Roberts or Alito either, if as you say they have never issued an opinion on any gay related case. You’ve set an awfully low bar for determining who deserves credit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Gosh.  Does Roberts doing pro-bono work in Romer v. Evans to overturn Colorado&#039;s anti-gay Amendment 2 get credit?

Golly, I&#039;d hate to be all pissy and argumentative if it didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I forgot to add, no credit is due to Roberts or Alito either, if as you say they have never issued an opinion on any gay related case. You’ve set an awfully low bar for determining who deserves credit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gosh.  Does Roberts doing pro-bono work in Romer v. Evans to overturn Colorado&#8217;s anti-gay Amendment 2 get credit?</p>
<p>Golly, I&#8217;d hate to be all pissy and argumentative if it didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Currently we need GOP votes in NY.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s even a bit more than that.

We need Democrats (and at least three Republicans) to vote for marriage in New York.  But the decision to allow marriage to pass will be made entire by Republicans.  Skelos will decide.  The member of his party will provide cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Currently we need GOP votes in NY.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s even a bit more than that.</p>
<p>We need Democrats (and at least three Republicans) to vote for marriage in New York.  But the decision to allow marriage to pass will be made entire by Republicans.  Skelos will decide.  The member of his party will provide cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/16/34319/comment-page-1#comment-96502</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add, no credit is due to Roberts or Alito either, if as you say they have never issued an opinion on any gay related case.  You&#039;ve set an awfully low bar for determining who deserves credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add, no credit is due to Roberts or Alito either, if as you say they have never issued an opinion on any gay related case.  You&#8217;ve set an awfully low bar for determining who deserves credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark said &quot;Thomas voted to uphold sodomy laws as constitutional, but he said they were “silly” and he would have voted against them as a state legislator.

We should give credit where credit is due...&quot;.

No credit is due to Thomas.  He still voted to uphold sodomy laws, then calling them silly doesn&#039;t in any way absolve him of guilt for the damage he tried to cause or make him not anti-gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark said &#8220;Thomas voted to uphold sodomy laws as constitutional, but he said they were “silly” and he would have voted against them as a state legislator.</p>
<p>We should give credit where credit is due&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>No credit is due to Thomas.  He still voted to uphold sodomy laws, then calling them silly doesn&#8217;t in any way absolve him of guilt for the damage he tried to cause or make him not anti-gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d love to hear your defense of how wonderfully supportive Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas are...&quot;

I&#039;m not aware that either Roberts or Alito have issued an opinion yet in any gay related case since they have been on SCOTUS. Thomas voted to uphold sodomy laws as constitutional, but he said they were &quot;silly&quot; and he would have voted against them as a state legislator.

We should give credit where credit is due, I should think. Democrats are more supportive of gay rights in general, but there are a number of Republicans who are gay positive. And DADT repeal would not have passed w/o non-Democrats Collins and Lieberman pushing it. Currently we need GOP votes in NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d love to hear your defense of how wonderfully supportive Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas are&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware that either Roberts or Alito have issued an opinion yet in any gay related case since they have been on SCOTUS. Thomas voted to uphold sodomy laws as constitutional, but he said they were &#8220;silly&#8221; and he would have voted against them as a state legislator.</p>
<p>We should give credit where credit is due, I should think. Democrats are more supportive of gay rights in general, but there are a number of Republicans who are gay positive. And DADT repeal would not have passed w/o non-Democrats Collins and Lieberman pushing it. Currently we need GOP votes in NY.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, 

Let&#039;s tweek the statement then:

A vote for a Republican is a vote (much more more likely than not) against gay rights.

H&#039;bout that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s tweek the statement then:</p>
<p>A vote for a Republican is a vote (much more more likely than not) against gay rights.</p>
<p>H&#8217;bout that?</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans bad, Democrats good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans bad, Democrats good.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/16/34319/comment-page-1#comment-96395</link>
		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,
While I understand what you are saying, the way you say it is absolutely guaranteed to cause Ryan - and me - to knee-jerk disagree with you.
Is that your goal?

For someone who is arguing that we have to stop applying stereotypes of &quot;bad&quot; and &quot;good&quot; to Republicans and Democrats, you certainly are indulging quite heavily in exactly the sort of tactics of alienation which you otherwise decry.

Oh, and just for the record: I&#039;d love to hear your defense of how wonderfully supportive Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas are and how they are just like the Democratic appointments among the Supremes....well, give it the old college try, it ought to make for some enjoyable parsing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
While I understand what you are saying, the way you say it is absolutely guaranteed to cause Ryan &#8211; and me &#8211; to knee-jerk disagree with you.<br />
Is that your goal?</p>
<p>For someone who is arguing that we have to stop applying stereotypes of &#8220;bad&#8221; and &#8220;good&#8221; to Republicans and Democrats, you certainly are indulging quite heavily in exactly the sort of tactics of alienation which you otherwise decry.</p>
<p>Oh, and just for the record: I&#8217;d love to hear your defense of how wonderfully supportive Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas are and how they are just like the Democratic appointments among the Supremes&#8230;.well, give it the old college try, it ought to make for some enjoyable parsing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure there&#039;s time. The Senate passes a new version on Monday and the Assembly stays in session and immediately votes to pass the new law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there&#8217;s time. The Senate passes a new version on Monday and the Assembly stays in session and immediately votes to pass the new law.</p>
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