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	<title>Comments on: No NY Marriage Vote Today</title>
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		<title>By: eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Timothy...Righteous Brother;-)the future is but a step further...freedom from Catholicism is breathing fresh air</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Timothy&#8230;Righteous Brother;-)the future is but a step further&#8230;freedom from Catholicism is breathing fresh air</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/20/34374/comment-page-1#comment-96546</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Religious Organizations have already said no sort of exemptions will make them happy anyway, so…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

exactly.

It isn&#039;t about religious organizations at all.  They already pretty much don&#039;t have to do anything they don&#039;t like.  You could put in a clause that requires every gay couple to chant &quot;we&#039;re really not married&quot; every time a priest walks by, and they still wouldn&#039;t like it.

Their issue isn&#039;t about them, it&#039;s about us.  They&#039;re less concerned about what &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; have to do and totally focused on what &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; get to do.  And all of the &#039;exemptions&#039; are a smoke-screen.  It&#039;s an effort to change the subject: &quot;Let&#039;s not talk about couples who need marriage rights, let&#039;s talk about Catholic adoption agencies.&quot;

I say call their bluff.  

Put in the religious organization exemptions to whatever will appear to the public to be excessively generous.  They really won&#039;t impact us much at all (other than perhaps some general slight inconvenience and perhaps a few isolated examples of real mistreatment).

And when they still oppose it, it will be obvious - to those few who still don&#039;t get it - that the Catholic Bishops are lying to them and that being unable to convince people by preaching they are now attempting to dictate their dogma by law.

Let&#039;s not fall into the trap of fighting on their terms.  Who cares if they get adoption agency exemptions or whatever - we get marriage.  And once we do have marriage equality, any time some religious organization discriminates, they will only look foolish, hostile, outdated and downright mean. 

We win either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Religious Organizations have already said no sort of exemptions will make them happy anyway, so…</p></blockquote>
<p>exactly.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t about religious organizations at all.  They already pretty much don&#8217;t have to do anything they don&#8217;t like.  You could put in a clause that requires every gay couple to chant &#8220;we&#8217;re really not married&#8221; every time a priest walks by, and they still wouldn&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>Their issue isn&#8217;t about them, it&#8217;s about us.  They&#8217;re less concerned about what <i>they</i> have to do and totally focused on what <i>we</i> get to do.  And all of the &#8216;exemptions&#8217; are a smoke-screen.  It&#8217;s an effort to change the subject: &#8220;Let&#8217;s not talk about couples who need marriage rights, let&#8217;s talk about Catholic adoption agencies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I say call their bluff.  </p>
<p>Put in the religious organization exemptions to whatever will appear to the public to be excessively generous.  They really won&#8217;t impact us much at all (other than perhaps some general slight inconvenience and perhaps a few isolated examples of real mistreatment).</p>
<p>And when they still oppose it, it will be obvious &#8211; to those few who still don&#8217;t get it &#8211; that the Catholic Bishops are lying to them and that being unable to convince people by preaching they are now attempting to dictate their dogma by law.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not fall into the trap of fighting on their terms.  Who cares if they get adoption agency exemptions or whatever &#8211; we get marriage.  And once we do have marriage equality, any time some religious organization discriminates, they will only look foolish, hostile, outdated and downright mean. </p>
<p>We win either way.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Skelos doesn&#039;t allow the vote, I am going to develop an address in his district, offer it to as many gays as I can find to share it, and work my butt of to unseat him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Skelos doesn&#8217;t allow the vote, I am going to develop an address in his district, offer it to as many gays as I can find to share it, and work my butt of to unseat him.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/20/34374/comment-page-1#comment-96520</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archbishop Dolan is no doubt spending megabucks of his Archdiocese parishoners money to pressure the pols to &quot;consider the needs&quot; of the religious bigots who have been fighting this all along. They are desperate and pissed, and are trying to delay the vote just one...more...day...so they can buy a vote we are counting on. 

What a douchebag; I&#039;m so glad Milwaukee got rid of Archdickhead Dolan...just sad that he wound up going where he could do some real damage to equal rights. I&#039;ve got my fingers crossed, but I&#039;m not forgiving him or the Catholic church for their hateful behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archbishop Dolan is no doubt spending megabucks of his Archdiocese parishoners money to pressure the pols to &#8220;consider the needs&#8221; of the religious bigots who have been fighting this all along. They are desperate and pissed, and are trying to delay the vote just one&#8230;more&#8230;day&#8230;so they can buy a vote we are counting on. </p>
<p>What a douchebag; I&#8217;m so glad Milwaukee got rid of Archdickhead Dolan&#8230;just sad that he wound up going where he could do some real damage to equal rights. I&#8217;ve got my fingers crossed, but I&#8217;m not forgiving him or the Catholic church for their hateful behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I was still a resident of NY, and not in CO. I&#039;d certainly be making calls left and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I was still a resident of NY, and not in CO. I&#8217;d certainly be making calls left and right.</p>
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		<title>By: EZam</title>
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		<dc:creator>EZam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TampaZeke
Who cares? Conservative Christians are always attacking others who don&#039;t agree with them. Fair is fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TampaZeke<br />
Who cares? Conservative Christians are always attacking others who don&#8217;t agree with them. Fair is fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we need to make sure that any government employee can still discriminate against LGBT people for any reason.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we need to make sure that any government employee can still discriminate against LGBT people for any reason.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: occono</title>
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		<dc:creator>occono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious Organizations have already said no sort of exemptions will make them happy anyway, so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious Organizations have already said no sort of exemptions will make them happy anyway, so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/20/34374/comment-page-1#comment-96514</link>
		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We need to make sure the language still allows discrimination of gay men and women by religious organizations&quot; ... &quot;so we don&#039;t lose votes&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need to make sure the language still allows discrimination of gay men and women by religious organizations&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;so we don&#8217;t lose votes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They won&#039;t be happy until there is a religious exemption &quot;cutout&quot; that allows any INDIVIDUAL or business to refuse to recognize any marriage between two people of the same sex.

I&#039;m sorry but that should be a deal breaker.  If we settle for it and then sue to overturn it later we&#039;ll be falling for a trap that they are setting up to make us look like we&#039;re attacking Christians and their religious freedom.  This is a Trojan Horse that will come back to haunt us if we&#039;re not smart enough to refuse it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won&#8217;t be happy until there is a religious exemption &#8220;cutout&#8221; that allows any INDIVIDUAL or business to refuse to recognize any marriage between two people of the same sex.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but that should be a deal breaker.  If we settle for it and then sue to overturn it later we&#8217;ll be falling for a trap that they are setting up to make us look like we&#8217;re attacking Christians and their religious freedom.  This is a Trojan Horse that will come back to haunt us if we&#8217;re not smart enough to refuse it.</p>
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