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	<title>Comments on: Pat Robertson Says God Will Destroy America Because of Marriage Equality</title>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the inhospitality shown by the townsmen toward Lot&#039;s guests, not the destruction of the men of Sodom by God for trying to know the guests. That is similar to the story of Abraham in Gen. 18: 1-5 about Abraham&#039;s welcoming behavior toward angelic strangers who approached his tent.  Abraham was very hospitable toward the three men.
The townsmen of Sodom were Canaanites, whose customs the Israelite priests considered corrupt: these men may have been more concerned about two strangers who were welcomed by Lot, who himself was a foreigner in their midst.  The townsmen were inhospitable toward strangers and violated a custom common to the people of the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the inhospitality shown by the townsmen toward Lot&#8217;s guests, not the destruction of the men of Sodom by God for trying to know the guests. That is similar to the story of Abraham in Gen. 18: 1-5 about Abraham&#8217;s welcoming behavior toward angelic strangers who approached his tent.  Abraham was very hospitable toward the three men.<br />
The townsmen of Sodom were Canaanites, whose customs the Israelite priests considered corrupt: these men may have been more concerned about two strangers who were welcomed by Lot, who himself was a foreigner in their midst.  The townsmen were inhospitable toward strangers and violated a custom common to the people of the region.</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  &quot;peeked&quot; s/b &quot;piqued&quot;.  I resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  &#8220;peeked&#8221; s/b &#8220;piqued&#8221;.  I resign.</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  One can easily dismiss Robertson without the need to say that there is nothing worth consideration in the story about Sodom.

One is constantly peeked by the rationalist libertarians, for instance, who seem to think that there are no threats to civil society from sexual relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  One can easily dismiss Robertson without the need to say that there is nothing worth consideration in the story about Sodom.</p>
<p>One is constantly peeked by the rationalist libertarians, for instance, who seem to think that there are no threats to civil society from sexual relations.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robertson has been going on for like forty years about how God is going to destroy America because of homosexuality. Don&#039;t forget that the Moral Majority, which was neither moral nor a majority, was his idea. The worst part is that people like him actually have political power or at least influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robertson has been going on for like forty years about how God is going to destroy America because of homosexuality. Don&#8217;t forget that the Moral Majority, which was neither moral nor a majority, was his idea. The worst part is that people like him actually have political power or at least influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/27/34627/comment-page-1#comment-97008</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amicus, are you saying that the crap Pat is spewing is part of the Christian right&#039;s &quot;insidious belief system&quot;? Because I totally agree. They won&#039;t be happy until there aren&#039;t even 10 people left who don&#039;t agree with them.

Scary lesson, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amicus, are you saying that the crap Pat is spewing is part of the Christian right&#8217;s &#8220;insidious belief system&#8221;? Because I totally agree. They won&#8217;t be happy until there aren&#8217;t even 10 people left who don&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
<p>Scary lesson, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/27/34627/comment-page-1#comment-97006</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, first Lot offers his daughters to the crowd as substitutes for the angel, then he fornicates with them? Oh, that&#039;s a guy I REALLY want to take morality lessons from. Nowadays, he&#039;d find himself in prison with other sex offenders...all things considered, I&#039;m pretty ok with living in the now times. 

He&#039;s just cranky cuz he didn&#039;t get raptured, and he has to keep drumming up money to pay for his huge, security fence-enclosed compound in Virginia Beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, first Lot offers his daughters to the crowd as substitutes for the angel, then he fornicates with them? Oh, that&#8217;s a guy I REALLY want to take morality lessons from. Nowadays, he&#8217;d find himself in prison with other sex offenders&#8230;all things considered, I&#8217;m pretty ok with living in the now times. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s just cranky cuz he didn&#8217;t get raptured, and he has to keep drumming up money to pay for his huge, security fence-enclosed compound in Virginia Beach.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should destroy Pat Robinson for being so vendictive.  He&#039;s evil himself and should be punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should destroy Pat Robinson for being so vendictive.  He&#8217;s evil himself and should be punished.</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah, Piyra - see also Jude 1:7

As a morality story, what is interesting (to me) is the predicate, which is Gen 18, not 19.

The predicate is that a society can be given over to &quot;iniquity&quot; so completely that not even 10 can &quot;remain&quot; righteous.

Yet, somehow, to the participants, what they are doing may be &quot;seductive&quot; or &quot;intoxicating&quot; or even seem a righteous pursuit to them.  It postulates that there are insidious belief-systems.  Afterall, Lot&#039;s wife turned back, his sons in law laughed off a warning, and the townsmen at Lot&#039;s door were offended that a foreigner might judge them, if only by not adhering to their ways/customs.

That perspective, perhaps, yields clues to any apt social-sexual teachings/considerations, which involve principles that are more general than gay/nongay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah, Piyra &#8211; see also Jude 1:7</p>
<p>As a morality story, what is interesting (to me) is the predicate, which is Gen 18, not 19.</p>
<p>The predicate is that a society can be given over to &#8220;iniquity&#8221; so completely that not even 10 can &#8220;remain&#8221; righteous.</p>
<p>Yet, somehow, to the participants, what they are doing may be &#8220;seductive&#8221; or &#8220;intoxicating&#8221; or even seem a righteous pursuit to them.  It postulates that there are insidious belief-systems.  Afterall, Lot&#8217;s wife turned back, his sons in law laughed off a warning, and the townsmen at Lot&#8217;s door were offended that a foreigner might judge them, if only by not adhering to their ways/customs.</p>
<p>That perspective, perhaps, yields clues to any apt social-sexual teachings/considerations, which involve principles that are more general than gay/nongay.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat last time I checked lying and stealing are against God and doing it in the name of God, and being a hate filled BIGOT you have a one way express ticket to whatever hell you believe in have a nice trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat last time I checked lying and stealing are against God and doing it in the name of God, and being a hate filled BIGOT you have a one way express ticket to whatever hell you believe in have a nice trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, the rapture is coming, the end of the world is coming, I&#039;m running all over the house getting bottled water ready to last for some time and dried food goods, panicking, Pat Robertson is on my TV spewing whatever and..., oh wait, True Blood is on, sorry Pat, got more important things to do then worry about America falling apart.

One quick note to Pat though, having sex with angels bad, (because for some reason angels can&#039;t defend themselves) yet where is the outrage with aliens from outer space having sex with us? Besides, just who then are angels suppose to have sex with, the bible says nothing about there being female angels?  In fact, the bible says nothing about any powerful women in heaven, besides Mary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, the rapture is coming, the end of the world is coming, I&#8217;m running all over the house getting bottled water ready to last for some time and dried food goods, panicking, Pat Robertson is on my TV spewing whatever and&#8230;, oh wait, True Blood is on, sorry Pat, got more important things to do then worry about America falling apart.</p>
<p>One quick note to Pat though, having sex with angels bad, (because for some reason angels can&#8217;t defend themselves) yet where is the outrage with aliens from outer space having sex with us? Besides, just who then are angels suppose to have sex with, the bible says nothing about there being female angels?  In fact, the bible says nothing about any powerful women in heaven, besides Mary.</p>
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