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	<title>Comments on: Oh that klassy klassy Catholic parish</title>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya, I&#039;d rather be a bad guy for my opinion on this particular issue, than a fool any day.  

It wasn&#039;t the Diocese or the larger Church that refused him the funeral.  It was the very congregation that he had supported all of those years.  Are you really expecting people to believe that they completely changed their teachings and beliefs AFTER Mr. Sanfillippo died and never expressed it to its congregants prior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya, I&#8217;d rather be a bad guy for my opinion on this particular issue, than a fool any day.  </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the Diocese or the larger Church that refused him the funeral.  It was the very congregation that he had supported all of those years.  Are you really expecting people to believe that they completely changed their teachings and beliefs AFTER Mr. Sanfillippo died and never expressed it to its congregants prior?</p>
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		<title>By: CPT_Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPT_Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On 9/11, the copilot of the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon happened to be a gay man and a parishioner at St. Matthews - the main Catholic Church here in DC (where JFK was buried from). His partner was treated with full respect by the Church when the pilot&#039;s funeral was held. Clearly not every Catholic Church is as heartless as this one.

And I wonder, do they refuse funerals to all their divorced and remarried parishioners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On 9/11, the copilot of the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon happened to be a gay man and a parishioner at St. Matthews &#8211; the main Catholic Church here in DC (where JFK was buried from). His partner was treated with full respect by the Church when the pilot&#8217;s funeral was held. Clearly not every Catholic Church is as heartless as this one.</p>
<p>And I wonder, do they refuse funerals to all their divorced and remarried parishioners?</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t possibly have a practising homosexual being laid to rest with the full rites of the Church.

Now a paedophile, for example - that would be quite a different matter. Read the story of a London priest here:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/06/20/why-didnt-the-rosminian-order-tell-us-the-truth-about-fr-kit/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t possibly have a practising homosexual being laid to rest with the full rites of the Church.</p>
<p>Now a paedophile, for example &#8211; that would be quite a different matter. Read the story of a London priest here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/06/20/why-didnt-the-rosminian-order-tell-us-the-truth-about-fr-kit/" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/06/20/why-didnt-the-rosminian-order-tell-us-the-truth-about-fr-kit/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They refused him a Mass, are they also going to refuse the money he bequeathed them on principle?

   Centuries ago, around the time of the Enlightenment, the Church offered companionate marriages to same sex couples. Usually they were wealthy or from powerful families. To be able to marry, they had to donate money or bequeath their property to the Church. So this wasn&#039;t a trend among the masses.
  This is also why the Church required celibacy in priests. To assure his assets would go to the Church, rather than heirs or widows.

      The CC is quite mercenary in their tactics, while at the same time choosing which part of their religious convictions to forget when convenient.

    Sanfillippo&#039;s survivors shouldn&#039;t have to sue for the money back. The Church should have no qualms about doing it on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They refused him a Mass, are they also going to refuse the money he bequeathed them on principle?</p>
<p>   Centuries ago, around the time of the Enlightenment, the Church offered companionate marriages to same sex couples. Usually they were wealthy or from powerful families. To be able to marry, they had to donate money or bequeath their property to the Church. So this wasn&#8217;t a trend among the masses.<br />
  This is also why the Church required celibacy in priests. To assure his assets would go to the Church, rather than heirs or widows.</p>
<p>      The CC is quite mercenary in their tactics, while at the same time choosing which part of their religious convictions to forget when convenient.</p>
<p>    Sanfillippo&#8217;s survivors shouldn&#8217;t have to sue for the money back. The Church should have no qualms about doing it on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading Religious Right blogs and forums for a couple of years.  And it&#039;s sadly remarkable how utterly they&#039;ve turned on gay rights and gay people as the perceived epitome of all their problems.

The more orthodox the group, the more gay clergy (and often, gay laity) it seems to have.  This realization- and correlation- is causing incredible cognitive dissonance among RR activists.  Which results in all these denial mechanisms and seemingly inexplicable hysterias, notably one about gay clergy potentially using the secular laws to change matters inside &quot;their&quot; churches by reactionary activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Religious Right blogs and forums for a couple of years.  And it&#8217;s sadly remarkable how utterly they&#8217;ve turned on gay rights and gay people as the perceived epitome of all their problems.</p>
<p>The more orthodox the group, the more gay clergy (and often, gay laity) it seems to have.  This realization- and correlation- is causing incredible cognitive dissonance among RR activists.  Which results in all these denial mechanisms and seemingly inexplicable hysterias, notably one about gay clergy potentially using the secular laws to change matters inside &#8220;their&#8221; churches by reactionary activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony said &quot;TampaZeke, you are right. It wasn’t the church’s fault that this person left money to a church that despised him.&quot;.

I don&#039;t think anyone said that was the church&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony said &#8220;TampaZeke, you are right. It wasn’t the church’s fault that this person left money to a church that despised him.&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone said that was the church&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who in their right mind would want to buried in that Church (and a few others) anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who in their right mind would want to buried in that Church (and a few others) anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: TonyJazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>TonyJazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any gay person who believes that the catholic church really welcomes us is a fool.  The church campaigns against us for the right of EMPLOYMENT and freedom from discrimination, as well as the right of marriage.

TampaZeke, you are right.  It wasn&#039;t the church&#039;s fault that this person left money to a church that despised him.  He should have known better.

It&#039;s a similar situation with the republican party (for the most part).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any gay person who believes that the catholic church really welcomes us is a fool.  The church campaigns against us for the right of EMPLOYMENT and freedom from discrimination, as well as the right of marriage.</p>
<p>TampaZeke, you are right.  It wasn&#8217;t the church&#8217;s fault that this person left money to a church that despised him.  He should have known better.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a similar situation with the republican party (for the most part).</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tampazeke said &quot;Who’s really the bigger asshole here? Unfortunately I would have to say it’s the deceased.&quot;.

No Tampazeke, its the church.  The deceased wasn&#039;t hurting anyone, the church however is doing its best to hurt gays - the church is the only a*hole here.

While its likely Sanfillippo knew about the Catholic hierarchy&#039;s anti-gay stance its also clear that the local church ignored the hierarchy&#039;s policy, welcomed him for many years and never made an issue out of his orientation.  Its not surprising or unreasonable that he&#039;d expect them to continue this acceptance after his death.

If you think expecting the Catholic church to revise its anti-gay position makes one an a*hole then, yes you most certainly are &quot;the bad guy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tampazeke said &#8220;Who’s really the bigger asshole here? Unfortunately I would have to say it’s the deceased.&#8221;.</p>
<p>No Tampazeke, its the church.  The deceased wasn&#8217;t hurting anyone, the church however is doing its best to hurt gays &#8211; the church is the only a*hole here.</p>
<p>While its likely Sanfillippo knew about the Catholic hierarchy&#8217;s anti-gay stance its also clear that the local church ignored the hierarchy&#8217;s policy, welcomed him for many years and never made an issue out of his orientation.  Its not surprising or unreasonable that he&#8217;d expect them to continue this acceptance after his death.</p>
<p>If you think expecting the Catholic church to revise its anti-gay position makes one an a*hole then, yes you most certainly are &#8220;the bad guy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m going to be the bad guy for saying this but I think it needs to be said.  Who&#039;s really the bigger asshole here?  Unfortunately I would have to say it&#039;s the deceased.  Could he possibly have been unaware of the Catholic Church&#039;s hatred and disgust for him and other openly gay people?    Could he REALLY have expected that they were going to treat him differently in death than they told him they believed he should be treated in life?  Had he never heard of this happening before?  It happens all the time.  Had he somehow missed all of the rabidly homophobic edicts issued by priests, Bishops and the Pope on a DAILY basis?  Yet he continued to give his devotion and his money to this rabidly homophobic empire.

I&#039;m certainly not defending the Catholic Church or their actions, they are shameful and disgusting; but rather I&#039;m pointing out that the deceased was a willing and active participant in how he was treated and how other people are treated by the Church that he supported and promoted.  As horrible as that is to think about, it&#039;s undeniably true.

This is a perfect example of the moral of Aesop&#039;s fable about the Farmer and the Snake (or the Frog and the Scorpion).  Snakes BITE, Scorpions STING and the Catholic Church HATES openly, actively, gay people.  Any Farmer who doesn&#039;t understand that; any Frog that doesn&#039;t understand that; and any Person who doesn&#039;t understand that WILL (not might) get Bitten, Stung or Fucked respectively.  You can&#039;t nurture a viper and then be surprised when it bites you.  IT&#039;S WHAT VIPERS DO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m going to be the bad guy for saying this but I think it needs to be said.  Who&#8217;s really the bigger asshole here?  Unfortunately I would have to say it&#8217;s the deceased.  Could he possibly have been unaware of the Catholic Church&#8217;s hatred and disgust for him and other openly gay people?    Could he REALLY have expected that they were going to treat him differently in death than they told him they believed he should be treated in life?  Had he never heard of this happening before?  It happens all the time.  Had he somehow missed all of the rabidly homophobic edicts issued by priests, Bishops and the Pope on a DAILY basis?  Yet he continued to give his devotion and his money to this rabidly homophobic empire.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not defending the Catholic Church or their actions, they are shameful and disgusting; but rather I&#8217;m pointing out that the deceased was a willing and active participant in how he was treated and how other people are treated by the Church that he supported and promoted.  As horrible as that is to think about, it&#8217;s undeniably true.</p>
<p>This is a perfect example of the moral of Aesop&#8217;s fable about the Farmer and the Snake (or the Frog and the Scorpion).  Snakes BITE, Scorpions STING and the Catholic Church HATES openly, actively, gay people.  Any Farmer who doesn&#8217;t understand that; any Frog that doesn&#8217;t understand that; and any Person who doesn&#8217;t understand that WILL (not might) get Bitten, Stung or Fucked respectively.  You can&#8217;t nurture a viper and then be surprised when it bites you.  IT&#8217;S WHAT VIPERS DO!</p>
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