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	<title>Comments on: DOJ Asks That DOMA Be Upheld In Bankruptcy Case</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/29/34678/comment-page-1#comment-97257</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had just left well enough alone and not pressured the administration to drop the original appeals DOMA would be well on the way to being done. The administrations case was weak, and looked sure to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had just left well enough alone and not pressured the administration to drop the original appeals DOMA would be well on the way to being done. The administrations case was weak, and looked sure to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/29/34678/comment-page-1#comment-97243</link>
		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 01:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry!  In my previous post I mis-named the federal court district.  It should be the Central District of California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry!  In my previous post I mis-named the federal court district.  It should be the Central District of California.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically what Tony is saying is that it&#039;s better to be screwed over by someone that says they support you to your face but doesn&#039;t actually put themselves out to act on that so called support very often than it is to be screwed over by someone that is upfront and honest about the fact that they don&#039;t support you?  Sorry, but just because Obama has thrown a few bones to the LGBT community that does not make him above reproach when it comes to this kind of thing. If he says he is a supporter of LGBY rights than he should be consistent in that support but he isn&#039;t. Because when it comes down to it, he will say what he thinks contributors and voters want to hear so he can get support for his policies and campaigns and he never have to follow through on the big promises as long as he occasionally gives those supporters a few crumbs and keeps dangling the big carrots in front of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically what Tony is saying is that it&#8217;s better to be screwed over by someone that says they support you to your face but doesn&#8217;t actually put themselves out to act on that so called support very often than it is to be screwed over by someone that is upfront and honest about the fact that they don&#8217;t support you?  Sorry, but just because Obama has thrown a few bones to the LGBT community that does not make him above reproach when it comes to this kind of thing. If he says he is a supporter of LGBY rights than he should be consistent in that support but he isn&#8217;t. Because when it comes down to it, he will say what he thinks contributors and voters want to hear so he can get support for his policies and campaigns and he never have to follow through on the big promises as long as he occasionally gives those supporters a few crumbs and keeps dangling the big carrots in front of them.</p>
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		<title>By: mike/</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why should DOJ be any different than the rest of the Obama administration? a total mess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why should DOJ be any different than the rest of the Obama administration? a total mess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/29/34678/comment-page-1#comment-97234</link>
		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the bankrupt couple?  This completely screws them over because, hey!, they&#039;re bankrupt!  How are they supposed to pay attorneys to defend them in this government appeal.  

Is this really that important to the DOJ?  If they don&#039;t appeal it only is precedent for the Southern District of California, and then only in the bankruptcy courts in that district.

Now the couple AND their creditors are going to have to wait out a protracted battle on the constitutionality of DOMA?  Say, what?

Yes, the appeal might barely possibly help in some future utopia, but meanwhile this couple (and their creditors, for that matter) is getting royally screwed by a DOJ which seemingly can&#039;t tell its ass from a teakettle with both hands and a flashlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the bankrupt couple?  This completely screws them over because, hey!, they&#8217;re bankrupt!  How are they supposed to pay attorneys to defend them in this government appeal.  </p>
<p>Is this really that important to the DOJ?  If they don&#8217;t appeal it only is precedent for the Southern District of California, and then only in the bankruptcy courts in that district.</p>
<p>Now the couple AND their creditors are going to have to wait out a protracted battle on the constitutionality of DOMA?  Say, what?</p>
<p>Yes, the appeal might barely possibly help in some future utopia, but meanwhile this couple (and their creditors, for that matter) is getting royally screwed by a DOJ which seemingly can&#8217;t tell its ass from a teakettle with both hands and a flashlight.</p>
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		<title>By: esurience</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/29/34678/comment-page-1#comment-97228</link>
		<dc:creator>esurience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Yes Obama is better than McCain. No that doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t criticize him when his administration does something wrong, or fails to do something right. The left generally values constructive criticism over loyalty. This decision seems to go against what the administration previously said is their policy on (not) defending DOMA.

As for Rhode Island... it&#039;s absurd that New York, with a much more conservative legislature (and a much more conservative state overall), was able to just pass marriage equality... but Rhode Island with their super-majorities of Democrats is setting the bar at civil unions. They can and should be pushed harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Yes Obama is better than McCain. No that doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t criticize him when his administration does something wrong, or fails to do something right. The left generally values constructive criticism over loyalty. This decision seems to go against what the administration previously said is their policy on (not) defending DOMA.</p>
<p>As for Rhode Island&#8230; it&#8217;s absurd that New York, with a much more conservative legislature (and a much more conservative state overall), was able to just pass marriage equality&#8230; but Rhode Island with their super-majorities of Democrats is setting the bar at civil unions. They can and should be pushed harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just tired of the constant complaining. Could you imagine if McCain had won the presidency? Obama has done a lot for us, and all any of the bloggers and commenters do is complain. It&#039;s getting very old. The HRC released a statement yesterday talking shit on RI civil unions. Umm.. would you rather have nothing at all? Seriously. The radicalization of gay politics is going to hurt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just tired of the constant complaining. Could you imagine if McCain had won the presidency? Obama has done a lot for us, and all any of the bloggers and commenters do is complain. It&#8217;s getting very old. The HRC released a statement yesterday talking shit on RI civil unions. Umm.. would you rather have nothing at all? Seriously. The radicalization of gay politics is going to hurt us.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Tony, it does not make sense.  Or certainly not if we know the legal process.

There are already several cases moving towards precedent and this one is trailing far behind.  No precedent will - or can be - set by this case.  The only impact the decision to appeal will have is on those individuals who are seeking protection under the US Bankruptcy Code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Tony, it does not make sense.  Or certainly not if we know the legal process.</p>
<p>There are already several cases moving towards precedent and this one is trailing far behind.  No precedent will &#8211; or can be &#8211; set by this case.  The only impact the decision to appeal will have is on those individuals who are seeking protection under the US Bankruptcy Code.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/29/34678/comment-page-1#comment-97218</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the complainers: please learn the legal process. They want a precedent set first. The appeal makes total sense in the overall picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the complainers: please learn the legal process. They want a precedent set first. The appeal makes total sense in the overall picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/29/34678/comment-page-1#comment-97205</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fascinating.

House Speaker John Boehner announced that his special counsel &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;would not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; appeal this decision.  But the Administration has decided to?

That&#039;s very disturbing.  It puts Obama and Holder further into the anti-marriage position than the Republican Speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fascinating.</p>
<p>House Speaker John Boehner announced that his special counsel <b><i>would not</i></b> appeal this decision.  But the Administration has decided to?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very disturbing.  It puts Obama and Holder further into the anti-marriage position than the Republican Speaker.</p>
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