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	<title>Comments on: Bachmann Is First To Sign Iowa Anti-Gay Pledge</title>
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		<title>By: Lymis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lymis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; So who peer-reviewed the Bible?&quot;

Umm… it is their contention that GOD wrote the Bible. By hand, in English, apparently.

Therefore, peer review would be impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; So who peer-reviewed the Bible?&#8221;</p>
<p>Umm… it is their contention that GOD wrote the Bible. By hand, in English, apparently.</p>
<p>Therefore, peer review would be impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Shofixti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shofixti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 06:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DavidinHouston

The tricky thing is that &quot;innate&quot; and &quot;genetic determinism&quot; are different measures. Identical twins studies are not unanimous, but they do show a concordance.

I think the evidence argument is a smokescreen anyway as Bachmann et al would likely disagree with your or my or BTB&#039;s definition of &quot;homosexual perference&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DavidinHouston</p>
<p>The tricky thing is that &#8220;innate&#8221; and &#8220;genetic determinism&#8221; are different measures. Identical twins studies are not unanimous, but they do show a concordance.</p>
<p>I think the evidence argument is a smokescreen anyway as Bachmann et al would likely disagree with your or my or BTB&#8217;s definition of &#8220;homosexual perference&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Grover Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grover Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anybody else&#039;s gaydar go off in viewing that pic of Bachman&#039;s hubby?</description>
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		<title>By: David in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 00:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“No peer-reviewed empirical science or rational demonstration has ever definitively proven, nor even has shown an overwhelming probability, that homosexual preference or behavior is irresistible as a function of genetic determinism or other forms of fatalism.”

Yeah, except for all that ACTUAL scientific research that overwhelmingly proves that sexual orientation is innate: gay/straight brain scans, identical twin births, hormone research, birth order studies, pheromones studies. I mean, holy crap, how many studies do you need to have that all point to the same conclusion? Do they seriously think that people &quot;choose&quot; to alter their brain chemistry? Of course, this is coming from a group of people that think that if you believe in science, that it&#039;s somehow an affront to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“No peer-reviewed empirical science or rational demonstration has ever definitively proven, nor even has shown an overwhelming probability, that homosexual preference or behavior is irresistible as a function of genetic determinism or other forms of fatalism.”</p>
<p>Yeah, except for all that ACTUAL scientific research that overwhelmingly proves that sexual orientation is innate: gay/straight brain scans, identical twin births, hormone research, birth order studies, pheromones studies. I mean, holy crap, how many studies do you need to have that all point to the same conclusion? Do they seriously think that people &#8220;choose&#8221; to alter their brain chemistry? Of course, this is coming from a group of people that think that if you believe in science, that it&#8217;s somehow an affront to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Thiwerspoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Thiwerspoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ChrisTaliban.  Filled with hate and bias, narrow-minded, obscurantist and dangerous.  Richard Bush&#039;s comment about evidence is very apt as is Homer&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ChrisTaliban.  Filled with hate and bias, narrow-minded, obscurantist and dangerous.  Richard Bush&#8217;s comment about evidence is very apt as is Homer&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: MattNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@homer

ROTFLMAO

Thanks for the laugh.</description>
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<p>ROTFLMAO</p>
<p>Thanks for the laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who peer-reviewed the Bible?</description>
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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has it occurred to everyone that Bachmann is getting so much publicity and &quot;play&quot; to make the front runner for the GOP seem more Moderate and Mainstream?  There is no way she can win and the GOP know it.  Something to consider...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it occurred to everyone that Bachmann is getting so much publicity and &#8220;play&#8221; to make the front runner for the GOP seem more Moderate and Mainstream?  There is no way she can win and the GOP know it.  Something to consider&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage — faithful monogamy between one man and one woman — through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.”

Do the laws we currently have actually have anything to say about marriages having to be &quot;faithful&quot;? That&#039;s news to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage — faithful monogamy between one man and one woman — through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.”</p>
<p>Do the laws we currently have actually have anything to say about marriages having to be &#8220;faithful&#8221;? That&#8217;s news to me.</p>
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		<title>By: tucson gal</title>
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		<dc:creator>tucson gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, no, the pledge does not advocate for the repeal of divorce laws. It says the candidate must stay faithful to current spouse and that candidates must support cooling off periods on &quot;quickie&quot; divorces, etc. So even though it speaks to the damage caused by divorce, signers don&#039;t have to do anything about it, except to only have sex with their spouse.

I&#039;m not well steeped in Christian lore, but I&#039;ve heard Jesus had a lot to say in condemning divorce but nothing on homosexuality? I guess the signers are convenient Christians and not truly faithful.

Also, interesting that the pledge calls for protection of only TWO of the rights granted under the First Amendment. I guess those other three are quaint and out of date (freedom of assembly, freedom of the press and the right to petition the government). Actually, that omission says tons to me about motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, no, the pledge does not advocate for the repeal of divorce laws. It says the candidate must stay faithful to current spouse and that candidates must support cooling off periods on &#8220;quickie&#8221; divorces, etc. So even though it speaks to the damage caused by divorce, signers don&#8217;t have to do anything about it, except to only have sex with their spouse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not well steeped in Christian lore, but I&#8217;ve heard Jesus had a lot to say in condemning divorce but nothing on homosexuality? I guess the signers are convenient Christians and not truly faithful.</p>
<p>Also, interesting that the pledge calls for protection of only TWO of the rights granted under the First Amendment. I guess those other three are quaint and out of date (freedom of assembly, freedom of the press and the right to petition the government). Actually, that omission says tons to me about motives.</p>
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