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	<title>Comments on: Six Atlanta Officers Fired over Eagle Raid</title>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/07/09/34956/comment-page-1#comment-98286</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Timothy Kincaid

I just happened across the article and thought someone might be interested in it since it was posted about here.

Unfortunately, absent another lawsuit I don&#039;t think the city or the APD will ever willingly admit they did anything wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Timothy Kincaid</p>
<p>I just happened across the article and thought someone might be interested in it since it was posted about here.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, absent another lawsuit I don&#8217;t think the city or the APD will ever willingly admit they did anything wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred,

thanks for the links and continued interest in this story.  I&#039;ll take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred,</p>
<p>thanks for the links and continued interest in this story.  I&#8217;ll take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 04:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three days after my last post and the article posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/atlanta-news/2943-more-lawsuits-to-be-filed-against-city-in-eagle-raid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; shows how serious the Atlanta Police Department is when it comes to reforming their ranks.

(1)The Atlanta Police Department hasn&#039;t complied with a single term of the Dec 8. 2010 settlement which they agreed to eight months ago and;

(2) The supervisor of the botched raid, Debra Williams, was clued into the fact that she was going to be terminated and then was allowed to retire one day before the demotion was to go into affect. In other words, she was allowed to quit before the demotion took effect with basically no penalty to her pension other than an early retirement penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three days after my last post and the article posted <a href="http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/atlanta-news/2943-more-lawsuits-to-be-filed-against-city-in-eagle-raid" rel="nofollow">here</a> shows how serious the Atlanta Police Department is when it comes to reforming their ranks.</p>
<p>(1)The Atlanta Police Department hasn&#8217;t complied with a single term of the Dec 8. 2010 settlement which they agreed to eight months ago and;</p>
<p>(2) The supervisor of the botched raid, Debra Williams, was clued into the fact that she was going to be terminated and then was allowed to retire one day before the demotion was to go into affect. In other words, she was allowed to quit before the demotion took effect with basically no penalty to her pension other than an early retirement penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of those not in the six group of men who were fired, what did “disciplinary action” consist of, “do not get caught next time”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can find out what happened to most of the rest &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/atlanta_police_fire_6_discipline_9_over_eagle_raid?gid=8638&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of those not in the six group of men who were fired, what did “disciplinary action” consist of, “do not get caught next time”?</p></blockquote>
<p>You can find out what happened to most of the rest <a href="http://www.projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/atlanta_police_fire_6_discipline_9_over_eagle_raid?gid=8638" rel="nofollow">here</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Eric in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lucrece.  I definitely think criminal charges are in order.  Getting fired is not sufficient punishment for what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lucrece.  I definitely think criminal charges are in order.  Getting fired is not sufficient punishment for what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: gar</title>
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		<dc:creator>gar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 05:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad they came down good and hard on this.  Hopefully it will send a very clear message.  It&#039;s 2011, people.  Deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad they came down good and hard on this.  Hopefully it will send a very clear message.  It&#8217;s 2011, people.  Deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 05:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that settlement divided across the plaintiffs and their respective lawyers, or is it individual?


Considering the lawyers would take a large sum out of the settlement, they could be staring at, what, 20-25k a person?

1 million is chump change for the city -- how are we assured that even the new procedures will be enforced when previous ones were not even enforced?

Of those not in the six group of men who were fired, what did &quot;disciplinary action&quot; consist of, &quot;do not get caught next time&quot;?

The men who were fired, did they lose out on benefits?

What about the guy who suffered severe head trauma in the process of the raid?

And most importantly, why do policemen still get to be just fired for offenses that would otherwise land a civilian in jail?

These people who lied during investigation and tried to tamper with evidence -- why were they not charged with tampering evidence and obstruction of justice?

God, you&#039;d think this country would get it right with not giving cops special treatment concerning the law. No difference at all from third world countries, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that settlement divided across the plaintiffs and their respective lawyers, or is it individual?</p>
<p>Considering the lawyers would take a large sum out of the settlement, they could be staring at, what, 20-25k a person?</p>
<p>1 million is chump change for the city &#8212; how are we assured that even the new procedures will be enforced when previous ones were not even enforced?</p>
<p>Of those not in the six group of men who were fired, what did &#8220;disciplinary action&#8221; consist of, &#8220;do not get caught next time&#8221;?</p>
<p>The men who were fired, did they lose out on benefits?</p>
<p>What about the guy who suffered severe head trauma in the process of the raid?</p>
<p>And most importantly, why do policemen still get to be just fired for offenses that would otherwise land a civilian in jail?</p>
<p>These people who lied during investigation and tried to tamper with evidence &#8212; why were they not charged with tampering evidence and obstruction of justice?</p>
<p>God, you&#8217;d think this country would get it right with not giving cops special treatment concerning the law. No difference at all from third world countries, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get to the Eagle that often. A friend&#039;s club takes over the back bar once a month. Art walks around selling jello shots as a fundraiser. I usually walk down to my local pub. It&#039;s gay when I&#039;m there. Some of the bartenders and servers are also. They have an Absolut bottle on the shelf that has the rainbow stripes.

Thanks for mentioning this Jim. I keep getting pleasantly surprised by the Mayor and City Council.

http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/atlanta-news/2900-atlanta-city-council-honors-aids-walk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get to the Eagle that often. A friend&#8217;s club takes over the back bar once a month. Art walks around selling jello shots as a fundraiser. I usually walk down to my local pub. It&#8217;s gay when I&#8217;m there. Some of the bartenders and servers are also. They have an Absolut bottle on the shelf that has the rainbow stripes.</p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning this Jim. I keep getting pleasantly surprised by the Mayor and City Council.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/atlanta-news/2900-atlanta-city-council-honors-aids-walk" rel="nofollow">http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/atlanta-news/2900-atlanta-city-council-honors-aids-walk</a></p>
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