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	<title>Comments on: Bachmann: Being Gay Is &#8220;A Part Of Satan&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bachmann sees the world and all that is in it as a battlefield between two opponents, God and Satan.  Our lives, our decisions, and even our language are victories or losses to one side or the other.  And each side has strategies, plans, and objectives.  We are the tools through which those objectives are achieved and we each, consciously or not, act to advance one side or the other.

When Bachmann says &quot;part of Satan&quot;, she means that it advances Satan&#039;s position.

And, in particular, she sees the use of the word &quot;gay&quot; to be part of Satan&#039;s strategy: he is seeking to make homosexuality appear normal and benign by using this deceptive happy term for what is really a very sad life.  

Quick aside: to conservative evangelicals, &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; life without Christ is by definition a sad life without peace or joy even if the poor miserable sinner doesn&#039;t realize it.  It&#039;s definitional rather than descriptive.

But in the case of gay folk, conservatives genuinely believe that no only is is definitionally miserable, but literally unhappy too.  Their impression of gay people is pretty much that of &lt;i&gt;Boys in the Band&lt;/i&gt; and anything that does not portray gay people as such is a lie of Satan.

Bachmann doesn&#039;t not believe gay people to be &quot;a part of Satan&quot; in a literal sense.  But she does believe the homosexual lifestyle to be of Satan.  And by &quot;lifestyle&quot;, Bachmann means any word, thought, attitude, behavior, or other expression that challenges God&#039;s Law.

As God&#039;s Law says that homosexuality is sin (and to Bachmann, there is no distinction between the Levitical prohibitions on a certain male sex act and the acknowledgement of same-sex attraction) then anything that might suggest otherwise is of Satan.

Gay marriage, a lie of Satan.  Gay advocacy, a tool of Satan.  Churches that do not condemn homosexuals of their sin, sellouts to Satan.  Gay people,(who believe the lie) the victims of Satan to whom she would like to reach out in love and rescue.

Bachmann&#039;s position - while horrific - is at least one step better than some.  There are those who believe that gay people are not victims of Satan but willing associates who are so rebellious against God that they persisted in depravity to the point where their consciences have become seared over and thus are worthy of contempt and the harshest of punishment.  (A commentary is coming on this.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bachmann sees the world and all that is in it as a battlefield between two opponents, God and Satan.  Our lives, our decisions, and even our language are victories or losses to one side or the other.  And each side has strategies, plans, and objectives.  We are the tools through which those objectives are achieved and we each, consciously or not, act to advance one side or the other.</p>
<p>When Bachmann says &#8220;part of Satan&#8221;, she means that it advances Satan&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>And, in particular, she sees the use of the word &#8220;gay&#8221; to be part of Satan&#8217;s strategy: he is seeking to make homosexuality appear normal and benign by using this deceptive happy term for what is really a very sad life.  </p>
<p>Quick aside: to conservative evangelicals, <b>any</b> life without Christ is by definition a sad life without peace or joy even if the poor miserable sinner doesn&#8217;t realize it.  It&#8217;s definitional rather than descriptive.</p>
<p>But in the case of gay folk, conservatives genuinely believe that no only is is definitionally miserable, but literally unhappy too.  Their impression of gay people is pretty much that of <i>Boys in the Band</i> and anything that does not portray gay people as such is a lie of Satan.</p>
<p>Bachmann doesn&#8217;t not believe gay people to be &#8220;a part of Satan&#8221; in a literal sense.  But she does believe the homosexual lifestyle to be of Satan.  And by &#8220;lifestyle&#8221;, Bachmann means any word, thought, attitude, behavior, or other expression that challenges God&#8217;s Law.</p>
<p>As God&#8217;s Law says that homosexuality is sin (and to Bachmann, there is no distinction between the Levitical prohibitions on a certain male sex act and the acknowledgement of same-sex attraction) then anything that might suggest otherwise is of Satan.</p>
<p>Gay marriage, a lie of Satan.  Gay advocacy, a tool of Satan.  Churches that do not condemn homosexuals of their sin, sellouts to Satan.  Gay people,(who believe the lie) the victims of Satan to whom she would like to reach out in love and rescue.</p>
<p>Bachmann&#8217;s position &#8211; while horrific &#8211; is at least one step better than some.  There are those who believe that gay people are not victims of Satan but willing associates who are so rebellious against God that they persisted in depravity to the point where their consciences have become seared over and thus are worthy of contempt and the harshest of punishment.  (A commentary is coming on this.)</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/07/12/35039/comment-page-1#comment-98151</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell you how many times, cautions against gender and sexual orientation bias when it comes to sexual abuse falls on deaf ears of people more committed to their suspicion of gay people.

   FOTF and their shills like Melissa Fryear are committing a SERIOUS breach of ethics by such a generalization. As mentioned, by doing that, they make suspicion grow in a situation that could very well DESTROY a family and their trust of each other. Or perhaps the sole gay member of the family will be banished as a precaution. Which would be an immeasurably cruel and devastating thing to do.

    The very repetition of her &#039;act&#039;, for these conferences, begs challenging the veracity of her own experience.
 When I talked to Chad Thompson, HE was convinced of similar abuse, because he wasn&#039;t close to his father. He couldn&#039;t REMEMBER any abuse, but nonetheless was CERTAIN it back there somewhere.
 He obviously was certain that his distant father was most potent cause of his homosexuality, because THAT he could remember and knew it to be true.
     How people get themselves so thoroughly brainwashed around gay related issues is no less scary than how people could be convinced to turn on their Jewish neighbors in the 1930&#039;s.

  I mean, damn...at some point, WHEN are these people going to quit being so WEAK? They aren&#039;t STUPID, but they are insufferably unwilling to face facts.
Even Nicolosi wouldn&#039;t answer my question regarding fatherly distance and a lack of more prevalence to homosexuality among single parent BLACK homes where the dearth of fathers is much higher? I brought that up with Chad, and he didn&#039;t have an answer to that either. 
  But I knew I hit a nerve because he RAN from even disseminating that part of the discussion we were having.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how many times, cautions against gender and sexual orientation bias when it comes to sexual abuse falls on deaf ears of people more committed to their suspicion of gay people.</p>
<p>   FOTF and their shills like Melissa Fryear are committing a SERIOUS breach of ethics by such a generalization. As mentioned, by doing that, they make suspicion grow in a situation that could very well DESTROY a family and their trust of each other. Or perhaps the sole gay member of the family will be banished as a precaution. Which would be an immeasurably cruel and devastating thing to do.</p>
<p>    The very repetition of her &#8216;act&#8217;, for these conferences, begs challenging the veracity of her own experience.<br />
 When I talked to Chad Thompson, HE was convinced of similar abuse, because he wasn&#8217;t close to his father. He couldn&#8217;t REMEMBER any abuse, but nonetheless was CERTAIN it back there somewhere.<br />
 He obviously was certain that his distant father was most potent cause of his homosexuality, because THAT he could remember and knew it to be true.<br />
     How people get themselves so thoroughly brainwashed around gay related issues is no less scary than how people could be convinced to turn on their Jewish neighbors in the 1930&#8242;s.</p>
<p>  I mean, damn&#8230;at some point, WHEN are these people going to quit being so WEAK? They aren&#8217;t STUPID, but they are insufferably unwilling to face facts.<br />
Even Nicolosi wouldn&#8217;t answer my question regarding fatherly distance and a lack of more prevalence to homosexuality among single parent BLACK homes where the dearth of fathers is much higher? I brought that up with Chad, and he didn&#8217;t have an answer to that either.<br />
  But I knew I hit a nerve because he RAN from even disseminating that part of the discussion we were having.</p>
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		<title>By: Equal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Equal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam. You and the other two are being way too kind. She is saying that simply using the word &quot;gay&quot; is &quot;part of satan&quot;. That not only means anyone who identifies as gay is part of satan, but anyone who uses the word gay to describe gay people is part of satan as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam. You and the other two are being way too kind. She is saying that simply using the word &#8220;gay&#8221; is &#8220;part of satan&#8221;. That not only means anyone who identifies as gay is part of satan, but anyone who uses the word gay to describe gay people is part of satan as well.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any sexual dysfunction comes not from &quot;choosing&quot; a gay lifestyle but being prevented from being who one is. Also, statistically, it is much more likely that child sexual abuse is from heterosexual males. As for their &quot;facts&quot;, these are from 50, 75 years ago and have repeatedly been shown to be false. But then the people who listen to and believe this crap are too brain dysfunctional to think for themselves or be open to the real facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any sexual dysfunction comes not from &#8220;choosing&#8221; a gay lifestyle but being prevented from being who one is. Also, statistically, it is much more likely that child sexual abuse is from heterosexual males. As for their &#8220;facts&#8221;, these are from 50, 75 years ago and have repeatedly been shown to be false. But then the people who listen to and believe this crap are too brain dysfunctional to think for themselves or be open to the real facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Shofixti and bls assessment of the situation. She is contrasting the two meanings of the word &quot;gay.&quot; She is not calling gays &quot;of satan.&quot; While I wouldn&#039;t put such thoughts past her, she did not say that in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Shofixti and bls assessment of the situation. She is contrasting the two meanings of the word &#8220;gay.&#8221; She is not calling gays &#8220;of satan.&#8221; While I wouldn&#8217;t put such thoughts past her, she did not say that in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see previous comment of how much she scares me!  thanks for &quot;reporting her&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see previous comment of how much she scares me!  thanks for &#8220;reporting her&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did these Witches leave their brooms when they gave these speeches.
 Talk about a bunch of fruit loops.  Her and her husband are the head fruit loops!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did these Witches leave their brooms when they gave these speeches.<br />
 Talk about a bunch of fruit loops.  Her and her husband are the head fruit loops!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Half-Elven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie Half-Elven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using fear and ignorance, any fundamentalist church goer is discouraged from associating with people outside this circle. Thus, the lies and brainwashing permeate the hive culture. Opposing views, aka science and facts, are not allowed to be heard. They don&#039;t know happy gay people. They don&#039;t know happy gay Christians.

It&#039;s amazing how many people live this way for years, even all their lives, feeling awful about themselves if they are gay, believing they are not changing because their faith is not strong enough - believing that their God does not accept them as they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using fear and ignorance, any fundamentalist church goer is discouraged from associating with people outside this circle. Thus, the lies and brainwashing permeate the hive culture. Opposing views, aka science and facts, are not allowed to be heard. They don&#8217;t know happy gay people. They don&#8217;t know happy gay Christians.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how many people live this way for years, even all their lives, feeling awful about themselves if they are gay, believing they are not changing because their faith is not strong enough &#8211; believing that their God does not accept them as they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believing in Satan is a part of a mass delusion that is a sad heritage of the human species.

I think they should send dolpins into space - any alien intelligence will quickly write us off once they get to know our infantile superstitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believing in Satan is a part of a mass delusion that is a sad heritage of the human species.</p>
<p>I think they should send dolpins into space &#8211; any alien intelligence will quickly write us off once they get to know our infantile superstitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Teague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Teague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 00:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do these people get there info. Is it the book of crazy facts and statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do these people get there info. Is it the book of crazy facts and statistics.</p>
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