I do have to admit that I am now curious as to what kind of trash is in the comments being withheld. But I suppose it couldn’t be any nuttier than what we actually did read.

If “Kelly” wishes to post comments which comply with our comments policy — regardless of whether her comments agree or disagree with the posts or with others — we will release those comments from the moderatio queue. Trolling behavior however is not allowed.

Furthermore, by his/her own admission, he/she was also been banned from other web sites for engaging in similar actions and has actively tried various tactics to work around those bans. Attempts to do so here will not be tolerated, and will result in reporting his/her i.p. address to his/her internet service provider for harassment.

Whoever it is, that person has seemed obsessively focused on the word “barbarians” and other issues related to Marcus and his sleazy clinic’s agenda.

You can add Est and dmitri to your list. They were earlier names used by the person going by “kelly”

You make my point for me. You state that it doesn’t take the stereotypes to form sexual orientation. Yes your 1.5 year old is developing his own identity and psychology. But I seriously doubt that he has begun to recognize his sexual orientation. Even if he has, so what? The point is that his sexual orientation is innate and not something he will learn from others.

What he can learn from others is a healthy response to whatever his sexual orientation turns out to be. But if all he learns from others is prejudice, bigotry, self-hatred and the like, that is how he will be molded. If he learns to be who he is without risk or shame, then he has been raised in a healthy environment.

I can only comment on what I observe in your writing…no more, no less. My fear is that if your son turns out to be gay, he will suffer because of your own attitudes. Take that however you wish. I’m just not seeing much that leads me to believe he will be nurtured into being who he is.

As is the case with everyone of us, I could be wrong about a lot of things. Based on my experiences and observations, I’m probably not wrong. If I am, so be it.

But let’s get back to the whole point of all of this discussion: What Bachman is doing is wrong. It is unethical. It is manipulative. It causes people pain for no reason except the prejudices of others. It it results in even one suicide that is grounds for shutting it down completely. Unfortunately, it will be too late for some by then. If you are so supportive, why not let them try and change your sexual orientation. If the orientation of lesbians and gays can be changed, then the same must apply to straight folks. In a broader sense, it does apply: Neither can change sexual orientation.

Bruce

That’s willful stupidity on your part, the reality is obvious but you want to pretend it doesn’t exist. Bisexuality is fixed. Whether attracted to one sex more than the other, or equally that person’s attractions are fixed – they are never going to stop being attracted to both sexes, or shift from being 70% attracted to women and 30% attracted to men to entirely attracted to women. While there are variations in levels of bisexality all along the way and that means the species sexuality isn’t fixed, the INDVIDUAL’S sexuality IS fixed. If orientation wasn’t fixed there wouldn’t be zero examples of people changeing orientation as we see today, it would be commonplace.

Kelly/elsa/evil Becky/Omar/Tom said “That’s a good point that you only knew from age 8. Those previous 8 years were ridiculously formative.”.

Despite a generation of searching for societal cause for gayness there is no evidence whatsoever for such a causality. There is however, study after study after study showing a biological cause. From blood type to chromosone deactivation, to hair whorls, to finger length, to brain structure, to congintive abilities, to pheremone reaction, to eyeblink rate to walking and speaking styles to more older brothers causing more gayness.

Kelly/elsa/evil Becky/Omar/Tom said “Bachmann is selling what people want that has (or, should have) no bearing on you. Why do you have such a problem with that?”.

Some black people want to become white to avoid racism. As a society we don’t look the other way and say “If doctors want to help them become white its no concern of ours.”, we say “This is a terrible that racism should make some black people want to be white when there is nothing wrong with being black, we must eliminate this racism.” -its no difference with gayness. Its obscene that the oppression of bigots makes some people uncomfortable with their gayness, its not such people’s gayness that needs to be changed, its the social oppression of gay people that needs to be changed.

Every major mental health and medical organization agrees people who positively accept their gayness are better adjusted and happier than those who do not. We have a problem with gays being coerced into wanting to change their orientation because we want the best for all people, including gays – unlike you.

Kelly/elsa/evil Becky/Omar/Tom said “The only bearing it has on you is your political objectives.”.

Unlike you, our concern extends to all people, including gays taught by bigotry to hate themselves. And the “exgay” industry does have a bearing on all LGBTs. Its sole purpose is to justify the oppression of all LGBTs by creating the false impression that gays can choose to be straight and therefor its acceptable to persecute them.

How can you say that those 8-10 years are not formative in the way that I think? I have a 1.5 year old and am witnessing first hand how his psychology is developing.

It doesn’t take the stereotypical behavior you note to cause same sex attractions to develop.

“It’s often those who most fear who they are that pose the greatest risk to others.”

That’s one of the stupidest ideas constantly put forth by the gay agenda. When something like that is said, I know you are not arguing in good faith.

Am I suppose to retort that you fear that you are wrong, too? Simply because you argue one side? That’s beyond stupid.