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	<title>Comments on: A George Rekers Case History: Where Is “Wayne”?</title>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;perhaps as much as 1 in 5&quot;

should be

&quot;perhaps as much as 1 in 3 (or worse, depending on the measure used)&quot;</description>
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<p>should be</p>
<p>&#8220;perhaps as much as 1 in 3 (or worse, depending on the measure used)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This report description of a follow-up managed to reach to a record-tying pace of two hole sentences. But again, there are no details: no test descriptions, no data, no independent evaluation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If I remember your reporting correctly, Jim, the head researcher, who went on to distance himself from therapy of this type for homosexuals, noted that quite often &#039;feminine&#039; behaviors dissipated post-adolescent, on their own.

So, another factor, again, is no control group.  That is, even in the presence of the data you rightly note is missing, e.g. independent eval, it is entirely possible that any given case would have turned out with exactly the same result, including doffing of feminine behaviors, if NO therapy had been done.

Finally, these considerations also give a moral insight into the public question about this therapy (which is often wrongly framed as individual rights).

You have a therapy that might help 1 in 6, say (even with my being generous here, the point stands).

At the same time, that therapy might damage up to 1 in 4 or perhaps as much as 1 in 5, with *increased* anxiety or worse, exacerbation of borderline feelings (or conflicted emotions/&quot;values&quot;), something that might be akin to aggravating a borderline personality disorder.  At their worse, exacerbation might result in heightened risk of death (suicide), in some percentage of cases.

Is it ethical to offer such a treatment?</description>
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<p>If I remember your reporting correctly, Jim, the head researcher, who went on to distance himself from therapy of this type for homosexuals, noted that quite often &#8216;feminine&#8217; behaviors dissipated post-adolescent, on their own.</p>
<p>So, another factor, again, is no control group.  That is, even in the presence of the data you rightly note is missing, e.g. independent eval, it is entirely possible that any given case would have turned out with exactly the same result, including doffing of feminine behaviors, if NO therapy had been done.</p>
<p>Finally, these considerations also give a moral insight into the public question about this therapy (which is often wrongly framed as individual rights).</p>
<p>You have a therapy that might help 1 in 6, say (even with my being generous here, the point stands).</p>
<p>At the same time, that therapy might damage up to 1 in 4 or perhaps as much as 1 in 5, with *increased* anxiety or worse, exacerbation of borderline feelings (or conflicted emotions/&#8221;values&#8221;), something that might be akin to aggravating a borderline personality disorder.  At their worse, exacerbation might result in heightened risk of death (suicide), in some percentage of cases.</p>
<p>Is it ethical to offer such a treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While these portrayals are horrific, it needs to be pointed out that these occurred before the APA and other professional organizations changed their viewpoints on homosexuality. Prior to that time, this was common practice. The continued horror is that those on the right continue to use a viewpoint that has been totally discredited by every legitimate professional organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While these portrayals are horrific, it needs to be pointed out that these occurred before the APA and other professional organizations changed their viewpoints on homosexuality. Prior to that time, this was common practice. The continued horror is that those on the right continue to use a viewpoint that has been totally discredited by every legitimate professional organization.</p>
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