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	<title>Comments on: Study Author Says Franken Is Right</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine,

I think it is not a matter of intentionally lying in the way that, say, a politician lies:  telling something that you know and believe to be untrue out of a desire to gain advantage through deception.

Rather, it is a matter of seeing the world in a very dichotomous way in which there the Good and the Evil.  Those who are fighting on the side of God and holiness are good, everyone else is evil (except for the liberal Christians who are perhaps good but have been deceived by evil.)

So it just doesn&#039;t matter what science says or what you say or really anything at all whatsoever... that&#039;s just Satan seeking to deceive and not only can it be disregarded, but it is right and holy to do so.  There&#039;s nothing to apologize for, because they are right.  By definition, they must be right because whatever may &lt;i&gt;look&lt;/i&gt; like they are wrong is just Satan working to deceive.

Are they lying?  Absolutely.  But they are lying to themselves as certainly as they are lying to us and society.  Ironically, they may now be the only people believing their lies.

I have a commentary in process that will flush this idea out a bit more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,</p>
<p>I think it is not a matter of intentionally lying in the way that, say, a politician lies:  telling something that you know and believe to be untrue out of a desire to gain advantage through deception.</p>
<p>Rather, it is a matter of seeing the world in a very dichotomous way in which there the Good and the Evil.  Those who are fighting on the side of God and holiness are good, everyone else is evil (except for the liberal Christians who are perhaps good but have been deceived by evil.)</p>
<p>So it just doesn&#8217;t matter what science says or what you say or really anything at all whatsoever&#8230; that&#8217;s just Satan seeking to deceive and not only can it be disregarded, but it is right and holy to do so.  There&#8217;s nothing to apologize for, because they are right.  By definition, they must be right because whatever may <i>look</i> like they are wrong is just Satan working to deceive.</p>
<p>Are they lying?  Absolutely.  But they are lying to themselves as certainly as they are lying to us and society.  Ironically, they may now be the only people believing their lies.</p>
<p>I have a commentary in process that will flush this idea out a bit more.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I receive Focus on the Family mail (and have for years, including Citizen Magazine, where Minnery gives a report every issue) and think that you are being overly generous to Minnery, Timothy.

I think Minnery (and James Dobson, Glenn Stanton, Candi Cushman, and Melissa Fryrear, and all of the others who misuse research to demonize our families - because they have to - they have no legitimate arguments) know very well what they are doing when they try to make claims about gay parenting based on studies of single parent households (and other misreadings of legitimate research).

Their repeated distortions, selective plucking of studies, and use of hate group propaganda are pointed out time and again, and they do this repeatedly.

Where is the apology from Focus on the Family for this?

Don&#039;t hold your breath.

They know exactly what they are doing.  

And they are unrepentant.

Funny, homosexuality is not listed in the 10 commandments, but lying and bearing false witness against your neighbor are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I receive Focus on the Family mail (and have for years, including Citizen Magazine, where Minnery gives a report every issue) and think that you are being overly generous to Minnery, Timothy.</p>
<p>I think Minnery (and James Dobson, Glenn Stanton, Candi Cushman, and Melissa Fryrear, and all of the others who misuse research to demonize our families &#8211; because they have to &#8211; they have no legitimate arguments) know very well what they are doing when they try to make claims about gay parenting based on studies of single parent households (and other misreadings of legitimate research).</p>
<p>Their repeated distortions, selective plucking of studies, and use of hate group propaganda are pointed out time and again, and they do this repeatedly.</p>
<p>Where is the apology from Focus on the Family for this?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
<p>They know exactly what they are doing.  </p>
<p>And they are unrepentant.</p>
<p>Funny, homosexuality is not listed in the 10 commandments, but lying and bearing false witness against your neighbor are.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minnery comes from a &quot;but it must be so&quot; worldview.  So, already &lt;i&gt;knowing&lt;/i&gt; that hetero families are better, when he reads the studies, he makes assumptions and probably truly believes that they were in the study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnery comes from a &#8220;but it must be so&#8221; worldview.  So, already <i>knowing</i> that hetero families are better, when he reads the studies, he makes assumptions and probably truly believes that they were in the study.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The definition of &#039;family&#039; on dictionary.com does not even mention parental gender.

My question for Mr. Minnery is &quot;What the hell are you talking about&quot;?

The only real difference between the past and now is visibility. It&#039;s about damned time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of &#8216;family&#8217; on dictionary.com does not even mention parental gender.</p>
<p>My question for Mr. Minnery is &#8220;What the hell are you talking about&#8221;?</p>
<p>The only real difference between the past and now is visibility. It&#8217;s about damned time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not always a fan of politico, but I&#039;m glad they did follow-up on this. Good to hear it from the mouth of the author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not always a fan of politico, but I&#8217;m glad they did follow-up on this. Good to hear it from the mouth of the author.</p>
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