Comments on: GOP Candidates On Same-Sex Marriage http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sun, 19 May 2013 14:07:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Erin http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102624 Erin Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:30:40 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102624 @ Mark, yes he is against federal government deciding marriage, but he has also said government ought to get out of the marriage business altogether. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but that to me means, state governments as well. In fact I think I remember him saying it should be private and issued by churches. That I have a huge problem with, because it serves no practical real world purpose, and if that happens an employer, lawyer, hospital, insurance company, etc can just scoff at any marriage they claim to "disagree with." He also said he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That does not offer support to the freedom to let LGBT people have recognized families. He is against the wars, which I like, and he speaks out against the seemingly limitless power of corporations. As for social issues though, I disagree strongly of course and his stance on marriage is a cowardly cop-out. @ Mark, yes he is against federal government deciding marriage, but he has also said government ought to get out of the marriage business altogether. Maybe I’m misinterpreting, but that to me means, state governments as well. In fact I think I remember him saying it should be private and issued by churches. That I have a huge problem with, because it serves no practical real world purpose, and if that happens an employer, lawyer, hospital, insurance company, etc can just scoff at any marriage they claim to “disagree with.” He also said he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That does not offer support to the freedom to let LGBT people have recognized families. He is against the wars, which I like, and he speaks out against the seemingly limitless power of corporations. As for social issues though, I disagree strongly of course and his stance on marriage is a cowardly cop-out.

]]> By: Mark F. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102237 Mark F. Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:12:23 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102237 Congressman Paul said he thought the federal government shouldn't be involved in defining marriage. He is on record against the Federal Marriage Amendment. Congressman Paul said he thought the federal government shouldn’t be involved in defining marriage. He is on record against the Federal Marriage Amendment.

]]> By: cd http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102192 cd Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:33:56 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102192 You're expecting a group of Republicans to make sense. This is a common erroneous expectation. You’re expecting a group of Republicans to make sense. This is a common erroneous expectation.

]]> By: Erin http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102110 Erin Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:12:30 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102110 @Revchicoucc: I don't buy your logic, unless I misunderstood your point. Yes there are separate aspects of marriage such as the legal, the private, and the religious/cultural. That is no good reason why laws can't be made to spell out the legal aspect, churches can't separately decide their own doctrines on the matter, and married individuals can't decide how the private aspects will go simultaneously. Arguments that marriage shouldn't be a government matter are ridiculous and never hold water. I can buy that marriage licenses should be issued by individual states, but the federal government already has such as thing as full faith and credit and a demand for equal protection written right there in the Constitution. To let states deny full faith and credit for marriage licenses issued in other states and to discriminate by not offering marriage licenses for same-sex couples is a violation of equal protection. @Revchicoucc: I don’t buy your logic, unless I misunderstood your point. Yes there are separate aspects of marriage such as the legal, the private, and the religious/cultural. That is no good reason why laws can’t be made to spell out the legal aspect, churches can’t separately decide their own doctrines on the matter, and married individuals can’t decide how the private aspects will go simultaneously. Arguments that marriage shouldn’t be a government matter are ridiculous and never hold water. I can buy that marriage licenses should be issued by individual states, but the federal government already has such as thing as full faith and credit and a demand for equal protection written right there in the Constitution. To let states deny full faith and credit for marriage licenses issued in other states and to discriminate by not offering marriage licenses for same-sex couples is a violation of equal protection.

]]> By: jpeckjr http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102107 jpeckjr Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:42:19 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102107 Mitt Romney actually gave the clearest answer. He wants to federalize marriage, one national law that applies to everyone. Traditionally, (and I use that word intentionally), marriage in America is a matter for the states. So I guess this means Mr. Romney opposes traditional marriage. Mitt Romney actually gave the clearest answer. He wants to federalize marriage, one national law that applies to everyone. Traditionally, (and I use that word intentionally), marriage in America is a matter for the states. So I guess this means Mr. Romney opposes traditional marriage.

]]> By: revchicoucc http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102104 revchicoucc Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:37:06 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102104 Marriage is complex because it involves human beings. Marriage is all these things: a status; a legal contract between two persons involving a collection of rights and responsibilities; an arrangement for caring for each other; a framework for having sex in a way that society approves; an arrangement for having and raising children; a spiritual and emotional covenant between people who want to share their lives. Marriage is all these things and because it is all these things simultaneously, it is too complex for any one authority -- government, religion, cultural -- to cover all these aspects with laws, regulations, or expectations. Marriage is complex because it involves human beings. Marriage is all these things: a status; a legal contract between two persons involving a collection of rights and responsibilities; an arrangement for caring for each other; a framework for having sex in a way that society approves; an arrangement for having and raising children; a spiritual and emotional covenant between people who want to share their lives.

Marriage is all these things and because it is all these things simultaneously, it is too complex for any one authority — government, religion, cultural — to cover all these aspects with laws, regulations, or expectations.

]]> By: TampaZeke http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102102 TampaZeke Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:33:13 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102102 Yet more evidence that Ron Paul is an opportunistic cafeteria Libertarian at best. Yet more evidence that Ron Paul is an opportunistic cafeteria Libertarian at best.

]]> By: JimInMa http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102079 JimInMa Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:30:31 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102079 So therefore all single parents will be forced to give up their children. To be paid for and cared for by these "family values" freaks. So therefore all single parents will be forced to give up their children. To be paid for and cared for by these “family values” freaks.

]]> By: Erin http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102029 Erin Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:51:13 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102029 Paul's stance on marriage is so unbelievably irritating. Marriage is a legal status. If it weren't, there'd be no point in getting married. How you take the government out of a legal status is beyond me. Paul’s stance on marriage is so unbelievably irritating. Marriage is a legal status. If it weren’t, there’d be no point in getting married. How you take the government out of a legal status is beyond me.

]]> By: PC http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36048/comment-page-1#comment-102024 PC Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:58:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36048#comment-102024 Ron Paul: "I think marriage should be between a single man and a single woman" I assume he wanted to say "between one man and one woman" but his statement can also be interpreted as "I think marriage should be between an unmarried male and an unmarried female"! Ron Paul: “I think marriage should be between a single man and a single woman”

I assume he wanted to say “between one man and one woman” but his statement can also be interpreted as “I think marriage should be between an unmarried male and an unmarried female”!

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