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	<title>Comments on: Another Anti-Gay Lawmaker Caught In Rentboy Scandal</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all a matter of degree Timothy.  Some people are more anti-gay than others but if you&#039;ve done any voting against gays or supported any inequality then you are anti-gay.  Obama is anti-gay and Hinkle is anti-gay although they may be a good deal less anti-gay than say a Peter Labarbera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all a matter of degree Timothy.  Some people are more anti-gay than others but if you&#8217;ve done any voting against gays or supported any inequality then you are anti-gay.  Obama is anti-gay and Hinkle is anti-gay although they may be a good deal less anti-gay than say a Peter Labarbera.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim

I can&#039;t agree that having voted against marriage equality, alone, qualifies one as anti-gay. I would not call Gary Jackson anti-gay for saying in the Republican debates that while he personally opposes gay marriage that he supports civil unions and &quot;we have not done enough&quot;. That is not good enough, of course, but neither he nor the President are anti-gay.

Voting for an amendment is worse, of course, but even still there is a difference between a vote based in prejudice and being anti-gay. 7 million californians voted for prop 8.  Many were fooled or fearful or not ready or whatever. Many more voted out of prejudice but have never before taken a negative act against us. I don&#039;t think one position or action makes a person the enemy.

And there are many legislators, especially on the Republican side, that are sometimes supporters. They vote with us on some things but not all. I don&#039;t think that voting to repeal DADT makes them an ally, but surely &quot;anti-gay&quot; is best applied to those whose voting is by default &quot;anti&quot;.

And there is a difference even between voting anti-gay and being an anti-gay activist.  Doug Skelos voted against marriage in NY as did all but four Republican senators. Yet somehow the caucus magically advised him to take the vote and for some magical reason Skelos made an exception and let the caucus decide. Or the senator who voted no last time with his head in his hands and was the first to announce support this time  He may not be a supporter, but I have difficulty making the anti-gay label fit. 

I prefer to save anti-gay for those for who are either proactively or consistently so.

It seems likely that Hinkle was a consistent anti-gay vote. He may even have been proactive or ranted on the floor. But, so far, I haven&#039;t seen that. 

And I didn&#039;t say that Hinkle wasn&#039;t anti gay. Just that he doesnt yet appear to have been an anti-gay activist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree that having voted against marriage equality, alone, qualifies one as anti-gay. I would not call Gary Jackson anti-gay for saying in the Republican debates that while he personally opposes gay marriage that he supports civil unions and &#8220;we have not done enough&#8221;. That is not good enough, of course, but neither he nor the President are anti-gay.</p>
<p>Voting for an amendment is worse, of course, but even still there is a difference between a vote based in prejudice and being anti-gay. 7 million californians voted for prop 8.  Many were fooled or fearful or not ready or whatever. Many more voted out of prejudice but have never before taken a negative act against us. I don&#8217;t think one position or action makes a person the enemy.</p>
<p>And there are many legislators, especially on the Republican side, that are sometimes supporters. They vote with us on some things but not all. I don&#8217;t think that voting to repeal DADT makes them an ally, but surely &#8220;anti-gay&#8221; is best applied to those whose voting is by default &#8220;anti&#8221;.</p>
<p>And there is a difference even between voting anti-gay and being an anti-gay activist.  Doug Skelos voted against marriage in NY as did all but four Republican senators. Yet somehow the caucus magically advised him to take the vote and for some magical reason Skelos made an exception and let the caucus decide. Or the senator who voted no last time with his head in his hands and was the first to announce support this time  He may not be a supporter, but I have difficulty making the anti-gay label fit. </p>
<p>I prefer to save anti-gay for those for who are either proactively or consistently so.</p>
<p>It seems likely that Hinkle was a consistent anti-gay vote. He may even have been proactive or ranted on the floor. But, so far, I haven&#8217;t seen that. </p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t say that Hinkle wasn&#8217;t anti gay. Just that he doesnt yet appear to have been an anti-gay activist.</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my favorite part that i&#039;ve seen as the final words in several news articles is him telling the boy&#039;s sister &quot;you&#039;ve just ruined me&quot;.  way to own his responsibility in the matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my favorite part that i&#8217;ve seen as the final words in several news articles is him telling the boy&#8217;s sister &#8220;you&#8217;ve just ruined me&#8221;.  way to own his responsibility in the matter!</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36056/comment-page-1#comment-102333</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, that&#039;s right...I&#039;d forgotten about Ted Haggard...gee I wonder why? No one else takes him seriously anymore either?

I kid you not, I saw his interview towards the end of &quot;Jesus Camp&quot; and I was so creeped out by him I felt like I needed to take a shower. What&#039;s even more funny is it wasn&#039;t long after that interview that he got caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, that&#8217;s right&#8230;I&#8217;d forgotten about Ted Haggard&#8230;gee I wonder why? No one else takes him seriously anymore either?</p>
<p>I kid you not, I saw his interview towards the end of &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221; and I was so creeped out by him I felt like I needed to take a shower. What&#8217;s even more funny is it wasn&#8217;t long after that interview that he got caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the wife then offered $10,000 to the boy to keep him quiet about this.

Gotta love them Catholics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the wife then offered $10,000 to the boy to keep him quiet about this.</p>
<p>Gotta love them Catholics.</p>
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		<title>By: Coxygru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coxygru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This case is merely sad. But it could have been tragic or horrific if it had played out in Kenya, Uganda, Iraq or China, or in 1970s America. Let us not forget that the progress we have made in western nations is tenuous and precious. It must be safeguarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case is merely sad. But it could have been tragic or horrific if it had played out in Kenya, Uganda, Iraq or China, or in 1970s America. Let us not forget that the progress we have made in western nations is tenuous and precious. It must be safeguarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wonder what his wife has to say.  I had a first cousin who married a gay man.  It was his second marriage. He had had two children from his first marriage.  The divorce was extremely bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wonder what his wife has to say.  I had a first cousin who married a gay man.  It was his second marriage. He had had two children from his first marriage.  The divorce was extremely bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36056/comment-page-1#comment-102207</link>
		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old goat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old goat.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red State family values.  If you&#039;re adamantly &lt;strike&gt;closeted&lt;/strike&gt; insistent that you&#039;re not gay you count as straight.  You just happen to be a straight man who chooses to have sex with other men when you can.

For a more detailed description of how this works (or doesn&#039;t), the Reverend Ted Haggard will be glad to expound on it at length.  So to speak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red State family values.  If you&#8217;re adamantly <strike>closeted</strike> insistent that you&#8217;re not gay you count as straight.  You just happen to be a straight man who chooses to have sex with other men when you can.</p>
<p>For a more detailed description of how this works (or doesn&#8217;t), the Reverend Ted Haggard will be glad to expound on it at length.  So to speak</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36056/comment-page-1#comment-102191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m taking his vote for Indiana&#039;s anti-marriage amendment as enough justification to hang the anti-gay tag on him. I&#039;ve long since lost patience with people in positions of power, even if it is in the lower house of a state legislature, who vote against the rights and dignity of their fellow citizens and constituents. And anti-gay vote is the mark of an anti-gay politician in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taking his vote for Indiana&#8217;s anti-marriage amendment as enough justification to hang the anti-gay tag on him. I&#8217;ve long since lost patience with people in positions of power, even if it is in the lower house of a state legislature, who vote against the rights and dignity of their fellow citizens and constituents. And anti-gay vote is the mark of an anti-gay politician in my book.</p>
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