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	<title>Comments on: Do They Really Think This Will Work?</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/08/12/36062/comment-page-1#comment-102629</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revchicoucc,

Oddly enough, the language in Romans and Galatians is pretty clear. Other than the antigay part which employs odd and perhaps entirely made up words. If I were a scholar entrusted with interpretation of scripture I&#039;d want to be certain that my results didn&#039;t end up in a game of One Of These Things Ain&#039;t Like The Others. 

Setting aside prejudice, it&#039;s not very consistent to find &quot;things like these&quot; to include a blanket prohibition of all things gay. And when approaching a translation inconsistency I think it wise to go back to Jesus&#039;s &quot;all the law and prophets&quot; rule. 

Some day this will just seem so obvious. Some day, that is, when the church at whole gets over viewing scripture as a lawbook literally written in modern English by God himself.  And an odd lawbook at that, one with very exact rules and no underlying principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revchicoucc,</p>
<p>Oddly enough, the language in Romans and Galatians is pretty clear. Other than the antigay part which employs odd and perhaps entirely made up words. If I were a scholar entrusted with interpretation of scripture I&#8217;d want to be certain that my results didn&#8217;t end up in a game of One Of These Things Ain&#8217;t Like The Others. </p>
<p>Setting aside prejudice, it&#8217;s not very consistent to find &#8220;things like these&#8221; to include a blanket prohibition of all things gay. And when approaching a translation inconsistency I think it wise to go back to Jesus&#8217;s &#8220;all the law and prophets&#8221; rule. </p>
<p>Some day this will just seem so obvious. Some day, that is, when the church at whole gets over viewing scripture as a lawbook literally written in modern English by God himself.  And an odd lawbook at that, one with very exact rules and no underlying principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TampaZeke, that wasn&#039;t the point about leaving the Buddha in there.

I sat there listening to someone refer to Buddha as a false idol once that obviously knew nothing about Buddha or Buddhism at all. Since Buddhists aren&#039;t really interested in proselytizing there was no one around to call him mistaken. Doing so would probably be un-Buddhist.

I&#039;d recommend Lama Surya Das personally to any American that has an interest.

But then again a true Buddhist wouldn&#039;t call what I do malpractice. I may play a little fast and loose with &quot;Being there while getting there.&quot; That&#039;s just how I serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TampaZeke, that wasn&#8217;t the point about leaving the Buddha in there.</p>
<p>I sat there listening to someone refer to Buddha as a false idol once that obviously knew nothing about Buddha or Buddhism at all. Since Buddhists aren&#8217;t really interested in proselytizing there was no one around to call him mistaken. Doing so would probably be un-Buddhist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend Lama Surya Das personally to any American that has an interest.</p>
<p>But then again a true Buddhist wouldn&#8217;t call what I do malpractice. I may play a little fast and loose with &#8220;Being there while getting there.&#8221; That&#8217;s just how I serve.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnold Schwarzenegger leads the hetrosexual lifestyle along with so many other&#039;s like him.  What are these people doing to clean up their own mess?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnold Schwarzenegger leads the hetrosexual lifestyle along with so many other&#8217;s like him.  What are these people doing to clean up their own mess?</p>
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		<title>By: revchicoucc</title>
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		<dc:creator>revchicoucc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rob:  In a television segment I saw on this, the church said they would be changing the sign each week to one of the other sins listed in Romans 1:26 - 32.  That list includes wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice, envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. 

Another vice list in Galatians 5 includes fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, drunkenness, carousing, and &quot;things like these.&quot;    

Of course, hating LGBT people is malicious, slanderous, haughty, and heartless, and possibly more.  The writers did not want to leave anyone out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rob:  In a television segment I saw on this, the church said they would be changing the sign each week to one of the other sins listed in Romans 1:26 &#8211; 32.  That list includes wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice, envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. </p>
<p>Another vice list in Galatians 5 includes fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, drunkenness, carousing, and &#8220;things like these.&#8221;    </p>
<p>Of course, hating LGBT people is malicious, slanderous, haughty, and heartless, and possibly more.  The writers did not want to leave anyone out.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why they don&#039;t go after all the adulterers, murderers, and thieves who sit in their pews with their hands folded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why they don&#8217;t go after all the adulterers, murderers, and thieves who sit in their pews with their hands folded.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, they&#039;re not looking to attract gay people.  They&#039;re looking to attract anti-gay people.  They WANT gay people to burn.

Ben, that&#039;s really cute.  I have only one issue with it.  The Buddha isn&#039;t/wasn&#039;t a god and Buddhists don&#039;t consider him such.  In fact there is no creator god in Buddhism.  If you want some very interesting and eye opening reading you should read what the Buddha had to say about why some beings think they&#039;re gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, they&#8217;re not looking to attract gay people.  They&#8217;re looking to attract anti-gay people.  They WANT gay people to burn.</p>
<p>Ben, that&#8217;s really cute.  I have only one issue with it.  The Buddha isn&#8217;t/wasn&#8217;t a god and Buddhists don&#8217;t consider him such.  In fact there is no creator god in Buddhism.  If you want some very interesting and eye opening reading you should read what the Buddha had to say about why some beings think they&#8217;re gods.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely.  I swear, I don&#039;t think people like this have ever actually cracked open a Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely.  I swear, I don&#8217;t think people like this have ever actually cracked open a Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sign is not meant to &quot;convert&quot; gays. It&#039;s meant to attract anti-gays. And I&#039;m sure their mission was accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sign is not meant to &#8220;convert&#8221; gays. It&#8217;s meant to attract anti-gays. And I&#8217;m sure their mission was accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its this kind of message that coerces gays into the &quot;exgay&quot; industry.  I can&#039;t comprehend how some people are okay with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its this kind of message that coerces gays into the &#8220;exgay&#8221; industry.  I can&#8217;t comprehend how some people are okay with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God sees nothing but itself reflected in all life.

...and behold, it was very good.

Gimme that old time religion.

From the East there is Buddha,
He really is much cutah,
Comes in brass and glass and pewtah,
And that&#039;s good enough for me.

CHORUS:
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
It&#039;s good enough for me.

Have you seen Aphrodite,
In her sexy, filmy nighty,
Sometimes she can be flighty,
But that&#039;s good enough for me.

CHORUS:
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
It&#039;s good enough for me.

Then there is the Horned One,
Of all the Gods, he&#039;s most fun,
He likes to hunt in woods and run,
And that&#039;s good enough for me.

CHORUS:
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
It&#039;s good enough for me.

Found a few more verses...

It was good enough for Isis
She will help us in a crisis
And she&#039;s never raised her prices,
So she&#039;s good enough for me!
(Chorus)
It was good enough for Kali
Though embracing her is folly
She&#039;d be quite an armful..golly!
And she&#039;s good enough for me!
(Chorus)
It was good enough for Odin
Though those omens were forbodin&#039;
&#039;Til at last the giants rode in,
And it&#039;s good enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God sees nothing but itself reflected in all life.</p>
<p>&#8230;and behold, it was very good.</p>
<p>Gimme that old time religion.</p>
<p>From the East there is Buddha,<br />
He really is much cutah,<br />
Comes in brass and glass and pewtah,<br />
And that&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>CHORUS:<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
It&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>Have you seen Aphrodite,<br />
In her sexy, filmy nighty,<br />
Sometimes she can be flighty,<br />
But that&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>CHORUS:<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
It&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>Then there is the Horned One,<br />
Of all the Gods, he&#8217;s most fun,<br />
He likes to hunt in woods and run,<br />
And that&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>CHORUS:<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
Gimme that old time religion<br />
It&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>Found a few more verses&#8230;</p>
<p>It was good enough for Isis<br />
She will help us in a crisis<br />
And she&#8217;s never raised her prices,<br />
So she&#8217;s good enough for me!<br />
(Chorus)<br />
It was good enough for Kali<br />
Though embracing her is folly<br />
She&#8217;d be quite an armful..golly!<br />
And she&#8217;s good enough for me!<br />
(Chorus)<br />
It was good enough for Odin<br />
Though those omens were forbodin&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Til at last the giants rode in,<br />
And it&#8217;s good enough for me!</p>
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