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	<title>Comments on: Could A State&#8217;s Refusal To Recognize Same-Sex Marriage Facilitate Polygamy?</title>
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		<title>By: WMDKitty</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/09/36801/comment-page-1#comment-106183</link>
		<dc:creator>WMDKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*spiral eyes*

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<p>My  head&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ZRAinSWVA</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/09/36801/comment-page-1#comment-106150</link>
		<dc:creator>ZRAinSWVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, wrote, &quot;If a 13 year old marries in NH, where it’s legal, is her marriage legitimate in Nebraska, where the age of consent is several years older?&quot;

Wow, great question, and it reinforces my opinion that the marriage contract should be established federally and not on a state-by-state basis. If the contract you establish in one state is not portable to another, what good is the contract?

And I hadn&#039;t thought of the bigamy angle. I guess my husband and I won&#039;t be marrying those nice ladies across the street after all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, wrote, &#8220;If a 13 year old marries in NH, where it’s legal, is her marriage legitimate in Nebraska, where the age of consent is several years older?&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, great question, and it reinforces my opinion that the marriage contract should be established federally and not on a state-by-state basis. If the contract you establish in one state is not portable to another, what good is the contract?</p>
<p>And I hadn&#8217;t thought of the bigamy angle. I guess my husband and I won&#8217;t be marrying those nice ladies across the street after all!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 11:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, I agree, but would modify it a little: a marriage is a contract.  Contracts explicitly fall under civil law... so you can&#039;t have marriages without government.  

I&#039;ve heard people argue that government should &quot;just do civil unions&quot; and &quot;leave marriages to churches&quot; because that would &quot;solve the problem&quot;.  Yeah, except for the establishment clause in the First Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, I agree, but would modify it a little: a marriage is a contract.  Contracts explicitly fall under civil law&#8230; so you can&#8217;t have marriages without government.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard people argue that government should &#8220;just do civil unions&#8221; and &#8220;leave marriages to churches&#8221; because that would &#8220;solve the problem&#8221;.  Yeah, except for the establishment clause in the First Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the last comment I tried to add, so I&#039;m going to type it out again. 

@Kristie: To add to what Cory said, the govt-free marriage argument is ridiculous.  Spouse is a legal status and the government enforces this status. Cory already listed some examples as to where this status comes into play. How do you resolve these legal relationships by abolishing legal marriage? You can come up with another system, but it would still take some level of government to enforce it, otherwise it would be useless. Or is the goal to have private entities pick and choose which marriages they want to recognize? I suspect a field-day of discrimination will follow and ignoring spousal relationships in order to avoid paying benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see the last comment I tried to add, so I&#8217;m going to type it out again. </p>
<p>@Kristie: To add to what Cory said, the govt-free marriage argument is ridiculous.  Spouse is a legal status and the government enforces this status. Cory already listed some examples as to where this status comes into play. How do you resolve these legal relationships by abolishing legal marriage? You can come up with another system, but it would still take some level of government to enforce it, otherwise it would be useless. Or is the goal to have private entities pick and choose which marriages they want to recognize? I suspect a field-day of discrimination will follow and ignoring spousal relationships in order to avoid paying benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Sampson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Sampson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 02:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kristie,


There are yet some issues regarding polygamy that can&#039;t be neatly solved under the current legal construct that is marriage. Mostly having to do with property rights, custody of children in the dissolution of the marriage, inheritance issues, etc. These are all coded to deal with a partnership of just two people. To legalize polygamy would require a radical redefinition (and not just the dictionary kind) of marriage - in addition to every single law where the term &quot;marriage&quot; is used. It&#039;s one thing (a very easy thing - see Canada) to open marriage to same sex couples, as none of the technical rules change. To open marriage to polyamorous relationships is, under any current legal infrastructure, impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristie,</p>
<p>There are yet some issues regarding polygamy that can&#8217;t be neatly solved under the current legal construct that is marriage. Mostly having to do with property rights, custody of children in the dissolution of the marriage, inheritance issues, etc. These are all coded to deal with a partnership of just two people. To legalize polygamy would require a radical redefinition (and not just the dictionary kind) of marriage &#8211; in addition to every single law where the term &#8220;marriage&#8221; is used. It&#8217;s one thing (a very easy thing &#8211; see Canada) to open marriage to same sex couples, as none of the technical rules change. To open marriage to polyamorous relationships is, under any current legal infrastructure, impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 02:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is why both Same-Sex marriage AND polygamy should both be legal. Honestly, I have never understood why it&#039;s any of the state&#039;s business who (or how many people) anyone marries. If everyone is a consenting adult, it should be their business and no one else&#039;s. Government needs to just get out of the marriage business and let people make their own decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why both Same-Sex marriage AND polygamy should both be legal. Honestly, I have never understood why it&#8217;s any of the state&#8217;s business who (or how many people) anyone marries. If everyone is a consenting adult, it should be their business and no one else&#8217;s. Government needs to just get out of the marriage business and let people make their own decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 18:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a 13 year old marries in NH, where it&#039;s legal, is her marriage legitimate in Nebraska, where the age of consent is several years older?

Barring the Loving v. Virginia decision which found marriage to be an unenumerated right relative to race, thereby making such discrimination illegal and the question moot, how were interracial marriages ignored - or were they ignored - legally, prior to the LvV decision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a 13 year old marries in NH, where it&#8217;s legal, is her marriage legitimate in Nebraska, where the age of consent is several years older?</p>
<p>Barring the Loving v. Virginia decision which found marriage to be an unenumerated right relative to race, thereby making such discrimination illegal and the question moot, how were interracial marriages ignored &#8211; or were they ignored &#8211; legally, prior to the LvV decision?</p>
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		<title>By: Jutta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need not construct scenarios where this might happen, there are already real life cases. Think of those couples who entered into a civil union or marriage and later moved to another state. Later their relationship broke up but they could not divorce because that state didn&#039;t recognice ss marriage even for the purpose of divorce. So the state tells them that they can&#039;t/need not divorce because they are not legally married. If either partner falls in love with someone else (of any sex) and marries the new partner he/she will be in trouble when they move into a state where the former civil union or marriage is valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need not construct scenarios where this might happen, there are already real life cases. Think of those couples who entered into a civil union or marriage and later moved to another state. Later their relationship broke up but they could not divorce because that state didn&#8217;t recognice ss marriage even for the purpose of divorce. So the state tells them that they can&#8217;t/need not divorce because they are not legally married. If either partner falls in love with someone else (of any sex) and marries the new partner he/she will be in trouble when they move into a state where the former civil union or marriage is valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the bisexual readers of BTB will be pleased to read this. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the bisexual readers of BTB will be pleased to read this. :)</p>
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		<title>By: tavdy79</title>
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		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s actually messier than that, because of the piecemeal recognition of marriage-equivalents between states that have them.

Some jurisdictions with gay marriage only recognise foreign gay marriages, not marriage-equivalents. This was the case when the Cortes Generales legalised gay marriage in 2005: initially it was possible for someone in a British Civil Partnership to get a gay marriage in Spain.

Some jurisdictions with marriage-equivalents don&#039;t recognise marriage-equivalents from other specific jurisdictions. For example, the UK doesn&#039;t recognise DC registered partnerships or HI reciprocal beneficiaries.

Other jurisdictions don&#039;t recognise &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; out-of-state marriage-equivalents. This was the case in DC until mid-2009.

All this means that in 2006-2008 it was possible for someone already in a Hawaiian reciprocal beneficiary relationship to get (in order) a Domestic Partnership in Washington, a Civil Partnership in London, married in Madrid, then married in Rome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s actually messier than that, because of the piecemeal recognition of marriage-equivalents between states that have them.</p>
<p>Some jurisdictions with gay marriage only recognise foreign gay marriages, not marriage-equivalents. This was the case when the Cortes Generales legalised gay marriage in 2005: initially it was possible for someone in a British Civil Partnership to get a gay marriage in Spain.</p>
<p>Some jurisdictions with marriage-equivalents don&#8217;t recognise marriage-equivalents from other specific jurisdictions. For example, the UK doesn&#8217;t recognise DC registered partnerships or HI reciprocal beneficiaries.</p>
<p>Other jurisdictions don&#8217;t recognise <i>any</i> out-of-state marriage-equivalents. This was the case in DC until mid-2009.</p>
<p>All this means that in 2006-2008 it was possible for someone already in a Hawaiian reciprocal beneficiary relationship to get (in order) a Domestic Partnership in Washington, a Civil Partnership in London, married in Madrid, then married in Rome.</p>
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