Comments on: USMC Times: “We’re Gay. Get Over It.” http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sat, 18 May 2013 05:23:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106389 Timothy Kincaid Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:13:42 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106389 Michael Bedwell, Yes, even with the end of DADT discrimination continues. And that is why Log Cabin's lawsuit goes forward. Because legalized orientation-based discrimination is still vile even when it is in a lesser form. Michael Bedwell,

Yes, even with the end of DADT discrimination continues. And that is why Log Cabin’s lawsuit goes forward. Because legalized orientation-based discrimination is still vile even when it is in a lesser form.

]]> By: Didaskalos http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106353 Didaskalos Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:44:56 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106353 I don't dip into Queerty-speak too often, but...yeah... Amazeballs! ---Didaskalos I don’t dip into Queerty-speak too often, but…yeah…

Amazeballs!

—Didaskalos

]]> By: Michael Bedwell http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106337 Michael Bedwell Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:17:48 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106337 Yes, much has changed for the better than in, e.g., 1975 when a base commander had to be reminded of the Constitution when he tried to order the manager of the PX to remove copies of the famous issue of TIME magazine with Air Force TSgt. Leonard Matlovich in uniform on the cover behind the bold words, "I Am A Homosexual." www.leonardmatlovich.com. BUT anyone believing that September 20th ends the official support for military homophobia has not been paying attention. The Pentagon has already announced that they will deny gay and lesbian service members access to the protections against harassment and discrimination IN the military that other groups such as African-Americans and women have under the Military Equal Opportunity Program [MEO] AND to some crucial partner benefits that even THEY admit are NOT banned by DOMA such as access to "military family housing." In short, our fight is far from over as they are replicating some of the same mistakes, based on bigotry, that they continued for years for African-Americans even after they had integrated every branch, and even though Truman's Executive Order was all about "equal opportunity" not just integration which, in fact, it didn't mention at all. In bitter irony, the MEO was one of the things that grew out of their finally being forced to stop tolerating racism after "race riots" on bases and ships around the world in the late 60s, early 70s. Another was [now abandoned] "Race Relations" classes for which Leonard Matlovich was a highly rated instructor when he chose to out himself in order to start the fight against the ban 36 years ago. Upon exiting his administrative board hearing where he'd been told he would be discharged, he told waiting MSM: "Maybe not in my lifetime, but we will win in the end." The date: September 19th, 1975. Yes, much has changed for the better than in, e.g., 1975 when a base commander had to be reminded of the Constitution when he tried to order the manager of the PX to remove copies of the famous issue of TIME magazine with Air Force TSgt. Leonard Matlovich in uniform on the cover behind the bold words, “I Am A Homosexual.” http://www.leonardmatlovich.com. BUT anyone believing that September 20th ends the official support for military homophobia has not been paying attention. The Pentagon has already announced that they will deny gay and lesbian service members access to the protections against harassment and discrimination IN the military that other groups such as African-Americans and women have under the Military Equal Opportunity Program [MEO] AND to some crucial partner benefits that even THEY admit are NOT banned by DOMA such as access to “military family housing.”

In short, our fight is far from over as they are replicating some of the same mistakes, based on bigotry, that they continued for years for African-Americans even after they had integrated every branch, and even though Truman’s Executive Order was all about “equal opportunity” not just integration which, in fact, it didn’t mention at all. In bitter irony, the MEO was one of the things that grew out of their finally being forced to stop tolerating racism after “race riots” on bases and ships around the world in the late 60s, early 70s. Another was [now abandoned] “Race Relations” classes for which Leonard Matlovich was a highly rated instructor when he chose to out himself in order to start the fight against the ban 36 years ago. Upon exiting his administrative board hearing where he’d been told he would be discharged, he told waiting MSM: “Maybe not in my lifetime, but we will win in the end.” The date: September 19th, 1975.

]]> By: DarthEVaderCheney http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106335 DarthEVaderCheney Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:14:35 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106335 Correction: DarthEVaderCheney: September 13th, 2011 | LINK Yes, Charles, you may be correct, but what about those who are already AT the point of hysteria? Can we hold the party/celebration in place of their wake? Just wondering… Correction:

DarthEVaderCheney:

September 13th, 2011 | LINK

Yes, Charles, you may be correct, but what about those who are already AT the point of hysteria? Can we hold the party/celebration in place of their wake? Just wondering…

]]> By: DarthEVader http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106334 DarthEVader Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:13:13 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106334 Yes, Charles, you may be correct, but what about those who are already AT the point of hysteria? Can we hold the party/celebration in place of their wake? Just wondering... Yes, Charles, you may be correct, but what about those who are already AT the point of hysteria? Can we hold the party/celebration in place of their wake? Just wondering…

]]> By: Charles http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106299 Charles Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:01:03 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106299 This is going to drive some people to the point of hysteria. This is going to drive some people to the point of hysteria.

]]> By: Ron Rohrer http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/12/36975/comment-page-1#comment-106281 Ron Rohrer Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:00:00 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=36975#comment-106281 From a Viet Nam Vet, It's about F'n time. From a Viet Nam Vet, It’s about F’n time.

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