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	<title>Comments on: NC Senate Rushes To Enshrine Marriage Ban In State Constitution</title>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/13/37004/comment-page-1#comment-106527</link>
		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 06:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If it’s already illegal in NC, what the fuck is the point of making it even more so?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Normal statutes can be repealed by the state legislature and governor.  A state constitutional amendment has to be repealed via both the state legislature and a popular referendum.

Having a ban in the form of a state constitutional amendment is also kinda worth a little more in federal lawsuits especially at the US Supreme Court.

It&#039;s also just the Religious Right being asshats.  It might take five more years to repeal or get overturn of a SCA than a simple statute.  

When looking at these things I remember William Sherman describing Southern state legislatures to Lincoln as utterly compliant to the planter class and otherwise a form of local entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If it’s already illegal in NC, what the fuck is the point of making it even more so?</p></blockquote>
<p>Normal statutes can be repealed by the state legislature and governor.  A state constitutional amendment has to be repealed via both the state legislature and a popular referendum.</p>
<p>Having a ban in the form of a state constitutional amendment is also kinda worth a little more in federal lawsuits especially at the US Supreme Court.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also just the Religious Right being asshats.  It might take five more years to repeal or get overturn of a SCA than a simple statute.  </p>
<p>When looking at these things I remember William Sherman describing Southern state legislatures to Lincoln as utterly compliant to the planter class and otherwise a form of local entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/13/37004/comment-page-1#comment-106402</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>customartist said, &lt;i&gt;&quot;With NC Unemployment at 10% Tea-Republicans work feverishly on oppressing minorities RATHER THAN on Jobs creation?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I suspect they do view this as jobs creation legislation - in the sense that God will bless them with jobs for bashing the gays. Lots of people really are that stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>customartist said, <i>&#8220;With NC Unemployment at 10% Tea-Republicans work feverishly on oppressing minorities RATHER THAN on Jobs creation?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I suspect they do view this as jobs creation legislation &#8211; in the sense that God will bless them with jobs for bashing the gays. Lots of people really are that stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/13/37004/comment-page-1#comment-106384</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The vote will take place during next May’s primary election.&quot;

Ouch.  I did not know that.  That absolutely means this will pass.  With demographic changes in NC and with the amendment having been drafted very broadly to ban all domestic unions and with a favorable poll from PPP, I thought that it might be possible, if unlikely, that we could pull an upset.  But if it is on a primary day, forget it.  Write it off and save the money for ME and NC.

It is really appalling that it is permissible to amend the state constitution  with a vote on a primary election day, when only a tiny fraction of the electorate will vote. So much for &quot;let the people vote!&quot;  

The only positive thing about this development here is that we see the continuation of a pattern.  The NC GOP concealed the vote as long as possible and disposed of the issue w/in 24 hourse and without any supportive speeches.  In MN, the GOP passed the amendment during a night session with no speakers in support, and quickly left the building through a rear exit.  In NY in 2009 and 2011, no GOP   members of the senate or assembly spoke against gay marriage.  This is not the way you behave if you are on the righteous side or the winning side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The vote will take place during next May’s primary election.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch.  I did not know that.  That absolutely means this will pass.  With demographic changes in NC and with the amendment having been drafted very broadly to ban all domestic unions and with a favorable poll from PPP, I thought that it might be possible, if unlikely, that we could pull an upset.  But if it is on a primary day, forget it.  Write it off and save the money for ME and NC.</p>
<p>It is really appalling that it is permissible to amend the state constitution  with a vote on a primary election day, when only a tiny fraction of the electorate will vote. So much for &#8220;let the people vote!&#8221;  </p>
<p>The only positive thing about this development here is that we see the continuation of a pattern.  The NC GOP concealed the vote as long as possible and disposed of the issue w/in 24 hourse and without any supportive speeches.  In MN, the GOP passed the amendment during a night session with no speakers in support, and quickly left the building through a rear exit.  In NY in 2009 and 2011, no GOP   members of the senate or assembly spoke against gay marriage.  This is not the way you behave if you are on the righteous side or the winning side.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/13/37004/comment-page-1#comment-106381</link>
		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With NC Unemployment at 10% Tea-Republicans work feverishly on opressing minorities RATHER THAN on Jobs creation?

The REAL test for North Carolina Economically will now lie with the people and just how they vote on this initiative.

Here is a nice list of NC Manufacturers to support or refrain from supporting depending on how this all resolves - *file for future reference

http://north-carolina.uscity.net/Manufacturers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With NC Unemployment at 10% Tea-Republicans work feverishly on opressing minorities RATHER THAN on Jobs creation?</p>
<p>The REAL test for North Carolina Economically will now lie with the people and just how they vote on this initiative.</p>
<p>Here is a nice list of NC Manufacturers to support or refrain from supporting depending on how this all resolves &#8211; *file for future reference</p>
<p><a href="http://north-carolina.uscity.net/Manufacturers/" rel="nofollow">http://north-carolina.uscity.net/Manufacturers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should have read three-fifths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should have read three-fifths.</p>
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		<title>By: JFE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, how did it pass with two-thirds majority in the Senate when it passed 30-16?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, how did it pass with two-thirds majority in the Senate when it passed 30-16?</p>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re talking NORTH CAROLINA, for goodness&#039; sake.  But I&#039;ll refrain from posting the Gomer Pyle YouTube link of which I&#039;m so fond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking NORTH CAROLINA, for goodness&#8217; sake.  But I&#8217;ll refrain from posting the Gomer Pyle YouTube link of which I&#8217;m so fond.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s already illegal in NC, what the fuck is the point of making it even more so?

What&#039;s with the pissing contest to see who can make same sex marriage the most illegalest??

Doesn&#039;t make much sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s already illegal in NC, what the fuck is the point of making it even more so?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with the pissing contest to see who can make same sex marriage the most illegalest??</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a way to hurry the courts to finally put an end to all these discriminatory laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a way to hurry the courts to finally put an end to all these discriminatory laws?</p>
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