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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/13/37007/comment-page-1#comment-106696</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezam - 

True.  But it does pretty much mean - at least in this example - that they are not anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic.  

There certainly were some (and still are) especially in the South.  But today most conservative evangelical Christians would consider anti-Jewish slurs to be an attack on God&#039;s Chosen People and find them to be offensive.  

You might say that compared to Muslims, Mormons, Hindus or Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses (or whatever church across town is competing for congregants), evangelicals find Jews to be their favorite followers of false doctrine.

Priya Lynn,

That&#039;s a good point.  When (as is often the case) the anti-gay ramblers say stupid and nutty stuff on other subjects, it builds the association between &quot;anti-gay&quot; and &quot;bat-poop loony&quot;

Jerry,

I think that there&#039;s pretty good evidence that there was a man named Jesus who led some sort of religious movement in Judea.  Additionally, it&#039;s pretty well evident that the writers of the gospels - both those canonized and those rejected - were based on pretty close association (if not first hand, then from conversations with those who had seen or heard him).  Consider: even &quot;my grandpa told me that when he was a young man, he went to hear that Jesus guy&quot; can be evidence - at least of existence - if enough people had grandpas tell them.

I don&#039;t know of any early refutations of Christianity that used &quot;he didn&#039;t exist&quot; as their premise (though there may have been some) and surely that would have been a most compelling argument if there were not already broad community assumption that he did exist.

(For example, I would say that L Ron Hubbard was a loon.  But I wouldn&#039;t argue that he didn&#039;t exist.)

But, of course, who Jesus (Yeshua Ben Yosef) was (or wasn&#039;t) and whether he&#039;s going to return and when are all matters that are open to your interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezam &#8211; </p>
<p>True.  But it does pretty much mean &#8211; at least in this example &#8211; that they are not anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic.  </p>
<p>There certainly were some (and still are) especially in the South.  But today most conservative evangelical Christians would consider anti-Jewish slurs to be an attack on God&#8217;s Chosen People and find them to be offensive.  </p>
<p>You might say that compared to Muslims, Mormons, Hindus or Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses (or whatever church across town is competing for congregants), evangelicals find Jews to be their favorite followers of false doctrine.</p>
<p>Priya Lynn,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good point.  When (as is often the case) the anti-gay ramblers say stupid and nutty stuff on other subjects, it builds the association between &#8220;anti-gay&#8221; and &#8220;bat-poop loony&#8221;</p>
<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>I think that there&#8217;s pretty good evidence that there was a man named Jesus who led some sort of religious movement in Judea.  Additionally, it&#8217;s pretty well evident that the writers of the gospels &#8211; both those canonized and those rejected &#8211; were based on pretty close association (if not first hand, then from conversations with those who had seen or heard him).  Consider: even &#8220;my grandpa told me that when he was a young man, he went to hear that Jesus guy&#8221; can be evidence &#8211; at least of existence &#8211; if enough people had grandpas tell them.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any early refutations of Christianity that used &#8220;he didn&#8217;t exist&#8221; as their premise (though there may have been some) and surely that would have been a most compelling argument if there were not already broad community assumption that he did exist.</p>
<p>(For example, I would say that L Ron Hubbard was a loon.  But I wouldn&#8217;t argue that he didn&#8217;t exist.)</p>
<p>But, of course, who Jesus (Yeshua Ben Yosef) was (or wasn&#8217;t) and whether he&#8217;s going to return and when are all matters that are open to your interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a very high probability that he never existed in the first place so there&#039;s no possibility there&#039;s anyone to return.  

I certainly don&#039;t expect Zeus to show up either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a very high probability that he never existed in the first place so there&#8217;s no possibility there&#8217;s anyone to return.  </p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t expect Zeus to show up either.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s anti-gay and anything that demonstrates his insanity also discredits his anti-gay ramblings.</description>
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		<title>By: Marauder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marauder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Pat Robertson is nuts, but what does that in and of itself have to do with the purpose of this site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Pat Robertson is nuts, but what does that in and of itself have to do with the purpose of this site?</p>
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		<title>By: Ezam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because Christians are pro-Israel doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re pro-Jewish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because Christians are pro-Israel doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re pro-Jewish.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given Pat Robertson&#039;s history of saying dumb shit, I wonder why anyone listens to him at all any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given Pat Robertson&#8217;s history of saying dumb shit, I wonder why anyone listens to him at all any more.</p>
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		<title>By: San Diego Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Diego Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 04:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Jesus would of surely returned when Glen Beck was there last month with his rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Jesus would of surely returned when Glen Beck was there last month with his rally.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rare for a day to go by where I don&#039;t see something that causes me to view religion as just a little more stupid and loathsome than it seemed on the previous day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rare for a day to go by where I don&#8217;t see something that causes me to view religion as just a little more stupid and loathsome than it seemed on the previous day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Jews&quot; that is only half the answer.

The other half of the answer is the failure of the Christians to convert the Jews to Christianty by ANY means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Jews&#8221; that is only half the answer.</p>
<p>The other half of the answer is the failure of the Christians to convert the Jews to Christianty by ANY means.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Thiwerspoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Thiwerspoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demented.</p>
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