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	<title>Comments on: The HPV Vaccine Debate Today and Why Preventing Syphilis Was &#8220;Immoral&#8221; Then</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/15/37057/comment-page-1#comment-106708</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurader,

&lt;blockquote&gt;People don’t want to hear, “Your seventh-grader needs this vaccine now because she’s going to be exposed to STDs sooner or later anyway.” They especially don’t want to hear it from the government, and be told that they have to go out of their way to make sure their kid doesn’t get a shot they don’t want her to have.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, they certainly don&#039;t want to hear it.  They also don&#039;t want to hear that their Founding Fathers did not set up a Christian Nation and that many didn&#039;t share their beliefs.  They don&#039;t want to hear that constitutional protections are intended to protect individuals &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; the &lt;i&gt;will of the people&lt;/i&gt;, not enforce the whim of a majority.  They don&#039;t want to hear that if they insist on being obese that perhaps their health insurance will increase.  They don&#039;t want to hear that Jesus is not President and that their church doesn&#039;t have veto power over the courts. 

But mostly they don&#039;t want to hear that they aren&#039;t special.

Every Sunday down at The Comfortable Church they hear that God loves them and that, unlike the readers here, they are saved and going to Heaven.  They hear that their beliefs about politics and economics are endorse by God and are right, regardless of what any researcher or scientist or theoretician (or the Bible) has to say about it.  They hear that Parenting is a very very special thing that has been Entrusted to them by God and therefor is far more important that epidemiology.  Why, Parental Rights are bestowed upon them by their Creator (which they don&#039;t want to hear is a deist term) in the Bible or the Constitution of the Declaration of Independence or some other document they love to revere but have never read.

And they certainly don&#039;t want to hear that its possible that someone just might know more about the health of their precious darlings than they do.  And they don&#039;t want to hear that this is really just misplaced moralism or over-aggressive theocratic zeal.  Because they heard on Christian Radio that this was Parental Rights.

And they don&#039;t want to hear anything that disagrees with their church or Christian Radio.  Mega Dittos, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maurader,</p>
<blockquote><p>People don’t want to hear, “Your seventh-grader needs this vaccine now because she’s going to be exposed to STDs sooner or later anyway.” They especially don’t want to hear it from the government, and be told that they have to go out of their way to make sure their kid doesn’t get a shot they don’t want her to have.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, they certainly don&#8217;t want to hear it.  They also don&#8217;t want to hear that their Founding Fathers did not set up a Christian Nation and that many didn&#8217;t share their beliefs.  They don&#8217;t want to hear that constitutional protections are intended to protect individuals <i>against</i> the <i>will of the people</i>, not enforce the whim of a majority.  They don&#8217;t want to hear that if they insist on being obese that perhaps their health insurance will increase.  They don&#8217;t want to hear that Jesus is not President and that their church doesn&#8217;t have veto power over the courts. </p>
<p>But mostly they don&#8217;t want to hear that they aren&#8217;t special.</p>
<p>Every Sunday down at The Comfortable Church they hear that God loves them and that, unlike the readers here, they are saved and going to Heaven.  They hear that their beliefs about politics and economics are endorse by God and are right, regardless of what any researcher or scientist or theoretician (or the Bible) has to say about it.  They hear that Parenting is a very very special thing that has been Entrusted to them by God and therefor is far more important that epidemiology.  Why, Parental Rights are bestowed upon them by their Creator (which they don&#8217;t want to hear is a deist term) in the Bible or the Constitution of the Declaration of Independence or some other document they love to revere but have never read.</p>
<p>And they certainly don&#8217;t want to hear that its possible that someone just might know more about the health of their precious darlings than they do.  And they don&#8217;t want to hear that this is really just misplaced moralism or over-aggressive theocratic zeal.  Because they heard on Christian Radio that this was Parental Rights.</p>
<p>And they don&#8217;t want to hear anything that disagrees with their church or Christian Radio.  Mega Dittos, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/15/37057/comment-page-1#comment-106633</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with Perry&#039;s policy as you could opt out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with Perry&#8217;s policy as you could opt out.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marauder, the vaccine wasn&#039;t mandated by law, there was an opt out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marauder, the vaccine wasn&#8217;t mandated by law, there was an opt out.</p>
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		<title>By: Marauder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marauder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin: Right, someone&#039;s daughter might grow up to marry a guy with HPV. Why would that mean she should get the HPV vaccine when she&#039;s &lt;b&gt;twelve&lt;/b&gt;, except if A) she voluntarily becomes sexually active at that age or B) she&#039;s raped or molested? Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but I don&#039;t think  people get cervical cancer because they shook hands with someone who had HPV.

People don&#039;t want to hear, &quot;Your seventh-grader needs this vaccine now because she&#039;s going to be exposed to STDs sooner or later anyway.&quot; They especially don&#039;t want to hear it from the government, and be told that they have to go out of their way to make sure their kid doesn&#039;t get a shot they don&#039;t want her to have. I think this controversy is much, much more about this vaccine being mandated by law than it is about an HPV vaccine existing in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin: Right, someone&#8217;s daughter might grow up to marry a guy with HPV. Why would that mean she should get the HPV vaccine when she&#8217;s <b>twelve</b>, except if A) she voluntarily becomes sexually active at that age or B) she&#8217;s raped or molested? Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I don&#8217;t think  people get cervical cancer because they shook hands with someone who had HPV.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t want to hear, &#8220;Your seventh-grader needs this vaccine now because she&#8217;s going to be exposed to STDs sooner or later anyway.&#8221; They especially don&#8217;t want to hear it from the government, and be told that they have to go out of their way to make sure their kid doesn&#8217;t get a shot they don&#8217;t want her to have. I think this controversy is much, much more about this vaccine being mandated by law than it is about an HPV vaccine existing in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No vaccine or drug is 100% safe. If you want to commit suicide just get a bottle of common aspirin and consume the entire bottle.  You will bleed to death. Printed warnings for every drug you take are so long no one reads them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No vaccine or drug is 100% safe. If you want to commit suicide just get a bottle of common aspirin and consume the entire bottle.  You will bleed to death. Printed warnings for every drug you take are so long no one reads them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben In Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben In Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie:

•From June 2006 to June 2008, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received just under 10,000 reports against Gardasil. Of those reports, 94 percent were regarded as non-serious, the remaining six percent were considered serious side effects (defined as death, requiring hospitalization, illness, or disability). According to the CDC, the percentage of serious side effects regarding Gardasil is about half of the average for vaccines overall. You should take the time to read what the CDC has to say about Gardasil and the safety of the vaccine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie:</p>
<p>•From June 2006 to June 2008, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received just under 10,000 reports against Gardasil. Of those reports, 94 percent were regarded as non-serious, the remaining six percent were considered serious side effects (defined as death, requiring hospitalization, illness, or disability). According to the CDC, the percentage of serious side effects regarding Gardasil is about half of the average for vaccines overall. You should take the time to read what the CDC has to say about Gardasil and the safety of the vaccine.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Martin!
That&#039;s the point. The vaccine is most effective when given prior to adolescence.

    Would these same factions object if a cure or vaccine came along for Herpes Simplex II, or HIV/AIDS?
Because one&#039;s sexual orientation or sexual frequency or marital status won&#039;t save you from such stealthy diseases, and shame on those opposed who already are spreading misinformation counter to these truths.

    And you&#039;re absolutely right that herpes has different types of transmission OTHER than sex. So it&#039;s well worth it to take advantage of ANY kinds of vaccines that prevent the contraction or spread of anything, regardless whether it&#039;s airborne or not.
   
    Some people are anti pharmaceutical companies and are willing to NOT take vaccines for reasons of paranoia and lack of accurate information.
But those are exactly the reasons how diseases are spread too.
I don&#039;t know why anyone would be so down on the R&amp;D and eventual result of effective medications on the market.

  Anyone we know with HIV have an issue with the evolution of retrovirals?
The vaccine for shingles?

     These people getting all hysterical over this miracle and PRO LIFE vaccine really have their heads up their asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Martin!<br />
That&#8217;s the point. The vaccine is most effective when given prior to adolescence.</p>
<p>    Would these same factions object if a cure or vaccine came along for Herpes Simplex II, or HIV/AIDS?<br />
Because one&#8217;s sexual orientation or sexual frequency or marital status won&#8217;t save you from such stealthy diseases, and shame on those opposed who already are spreading misinformation counter to these truths.</p>
<p>    And you&#8217;re absolutely right that herpes has different types of transmission OTHER than sex. So it&#8217;s well worth it to take advantage of ANY kinds of vaccines that prevent the contraction or spread of anything, regardless whether it&#8217;s airborne or not.</p>
<p>    Some people are anti pharmaceutical companies and are willing to NOT take vaccines for reasons of paranoia and lack of accurate information.<br />
But those are exactly the reasons how diseases are spread too.<br />
I don&#8217;t know why anyone would be so down on the R&amp;D and eventual result of effective medications on the market.</p>
<p>  Anyone we know with HIV have an issue with the evolution of retrovirals?<br />
The vaccine for shingles?</p>
<p>     These people getting all hysterical over this miracle and PRO LIFE vaccine really have their heads up their asses.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am completely offended that this debate has been diverted from the real issue, which is the safety of the vaccine. Instead of condemning Michele Bachmann for prejudice check the VEARs system for the injury rates of the HPV vaccine. You will discover it is not hearsay but fact that children have been killed and permanently injured by this vaccine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am completely offended that this debate has been diverted from the real issue, which is the safety of the vaccine. Instead of condemning Michele Bachmann for prejudice check the VEARs system for the injury rates of the HPV vaccine. You will discover it is not hearsay but fact that children have been killed and permanently injured by this vaccine.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmoonman</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkmoonman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More of the Abrahamicists&#039; inflict  their anti-sex prejudices on everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of the Abrahamicists&#8217; inflict  their anti-sex prejudices on everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People didn’t like the government saying, “Your daughter has to have this shot – even if she’s twelve years old – because she’s either going to be sexually active against you wishes or be raped or molested.” Why else would you give this vaccine to kids?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Because vaccination is more effective if it&#039;s given well before one is likely to be exposed to infection.

Because even if your daughter does not engage in sexual activity before marriage, she may marry a man who is infected with HPV.

Because even if your daughter does not intend to have sex outside of marriage, she may be forced into sex against HER wishes, and become infected with HPV.

Because disease isn&#039;t about morality. Microorganisms don&#039;t care who thinks you&#039;re a moral person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People didn’t like the government saying, “Your daughter has to have this shot – even if she’s twelve years old – because she’s either going to be sexually active against you wishes or be raped or molested.” Why else would you give this vaccine to kids?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because vaccination is more effective if it&#8217;s given well before one is likely to be exposed to infection.</p>
<p>Because even if your daughter does not engage in sexual activity before marriage, she may marry a man who is infected with HPV.</p>
<p>Because even if your daughter does not intend to have sex outside of marriage, she may be forced into sex against HER wishes, and become infected with HPV.</p>
<p>Because disease isn&#8217;t about morality. Microorganisms don&#8217;t care who thinks you&#8217;re a moral person.</p>
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