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	<title>Comments on: Not so skurrred</title>
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		<title>By: Lymis</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/22/37306/comment-page-1#comment-107057</link>
		<dc:creator>Lymis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Maggie didn&#039;t so much step down as step aside - she&#039;s now heading up a new organization to legally defend all the people who are attacked for their anti-marriage stands.

But apparently, it&#039;s an &quot;anti-defamation&quot; thing rather than an anti-assault thing. &#039;Cause when they make unsupported sweeping statements declaring us to be direct threats to civilization and specifically out to assault children, that&#039;s all in fun, but pointing out that they are liars with no proof to their claims is actionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Maggie didn&#8217;t so much step down as step aside &#8211; she&#8217;s now heading up a new organization to legally defend all the people who are attacked for their anti-marriage stands.</p>
<p>But apparently, it&#8217;s an &#8220;anti-defamation&#8221; thing rather than an anti-assault thing. &#8216;Cause when they make unsupported sweeping statements declaring us to be direct threats to civilization and specifically out to assault children, that&#8217;s all in fun, but pointing out that they are liars with no proof to their claims is actionable.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dumb argument as the names of the witnesses are known. And as the anti-abortion people have shown, it is no big effort the plaster a person&#039;s name, picture, home and work addresses and even their children all over. Keeping the tapes of the trial under wraps wouldn&#039;t do anything. If anybody was interested in harming these people, it would have happened already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dumb argument as the names of the witnesses are known. And as the anti-abortion people have shown, it is no big effort the plaster a person&#8217;s name, picture, home and work addresses and even their children all over. Keeping the tapes of the trial under wraps wouldn&#8217;t do anything. If anybody was interested in harming these people, it would have happened already.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent and telling point (Gallagher&#039;s attendance sans bodguards); however, now that she&#039;s stepped down (or been manuevered out), will we see claims that she did so out of fear for her personal safety based on her attendance (and the firestorm of &quot;munching Maggie&quot; observations)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent and telling point (Gallagher&#8217;s attendance sans bodguards); however, now that she&#8217;s stepped down (or been manuevered out), will we see claims that she did so out of fear for her personal safety based on her attendance (and the firestorm of &#8220;munching Maggie&#8221; observations)?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry about their safety dude, God will protect them. If they aren&#039;t protected, that&#039;ll probably mean that he doesn&#039;t approve of their actions. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry about their safety dude, God will protect them. If they aren&#8217;t protected, that&#8217;ll probably mean that he doesn&#8217;t approve of their actions. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/22/37306/comment-page-1#comment-106922</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But you can’t tell the court (or the public) that your witnesses aren’t going to witness because they will look like fools, so the Proponents came up with a unique explanation. &lt;b&gt;Gays are violent threatening people and the witnesses are terrified of repercussions.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Prop8 proponents are predominantly religion-driven, so as part of that world it&#039;s easy for them to imagine that they can just make up preposterous stories and have them magically accepted as true. This preposterous story was merely one of many. But most of their would-be witnesses were smart enough to know that while Magic Truth can persuade gullible fools to support them, it will generally get them laughed out of a courtroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But you can’t tell the court (or the public) that your witnesses aren’t going to witness because they will look like fools, so the Proponents came up with a unique explanation. <b>Gays are violent threatening people and the witnesses are terrified of repercussions.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>The Prop8 proponents are predominantly religion-driven, so as part of that world it&#8217;s easy for them to imagine that they can just make up preposterous stories and have them magically accepted as true. This preposterous story was merely one of many. But most of their would-be witnesses were smart enough to know that while Magic Truth can persuade gullible fools to support them, it will generally get them laughed out of a courtroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my biggest frustrations with the MSM is how willing they&#039;ve been to parrot this meme without looking at the obvious fact that there are dozens and dozens of very high profile anti-gay activists who manage to go about their business without armed escorts and security details.

If there was indeed a organized and violent LGBT underground how is it that someone like Tony Perkins can still be unscathed? It&#039;s not like the AFA is in an undisclosed location. Why is Robert George able to go about the Princeton campus with out a body guard? Brian Brown brings his wife and kids to his little rally&#039;s where the gays often out number his attendees—obviously not so scary. Any attacks against the Liberty Counsel? BamBam and Porno Pete? As you point out Maggie seems to have to no problem going about NYC and Scarsdale with much interference.

It&#039;s not as if we don&#039;t know who our enemies are. The whole our witnesses are scared for their safety meme is utter nonsense and the media should call them on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my biggest frustrations with the MSM is how willing they&#8217;ve been to parrot this meme without looking at the obvious fact that there are dozens and dozens of very high profile anti-gay activists who manage to go about their business without armed escorts and security details.</p>
<p>If there was indeed a organized and violent LGBT underground how is it that someone like Tony Perkins can still be unscathed? It&#8217;s not like the AFA is in an undisclosed location. Why is Robert George able to go about the Princeton campus with out a body guard? Brian Brown brings his wife and kids to his little rally&#8217;s where the gays often out number his attendees—obviously not so scary. Any attacks against the Liberty Counsel? BamBam and Porno Pete? As you point out Maggie seems to have to no problem going about NYC and Scarsdale with much interference.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if we don&#8217;t know who our enemies are. The whole our witnesses are scared for their safety meme is utter nonsense and the media should call them on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Varburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Varburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember Brian, the gays are more scared of you then your are of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Brian, the gays are more scared of you then your are of them.</p>
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		<title>By: David in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Maggie thought she was safe because she was making so much noise munching her trash bag full of popcorn during the play. (snark)

I would like Brian Brown to provide the name of one Christian that has ever been beaten up, attacked with baseball bats, or killed at the hands of gay people. Just one will do, Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Maggie thought she was safe because she was making so much noise munching her trash bag full of popcorn during the play. (snark)</p>
<p>I would like Brian Brown to provide the name of one Christian that has ever been beaten up, attacked with baseball bats, or killed at the hands of gay people. Just one will do, Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: LostChoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>LostChoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget, she had her bottomless bag of chips to keep her company.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget, she had her bottomless bag of chips to keep her company.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Harwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Harwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I don&#039;t have my own blog is because I&#039;m incapable of connecting dots like this. This is *perfect* dot connection and one of the most satisfying.   Thanks, Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I don&#8217;t have my own blog is because I&#8217;m incapable of connecting dots like this. This is *perfect* dot connection and one of the most satisfying.   Thanks, Jim.</p>
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