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	<title>Comments on: Frank Turek, Anti-gay Martyr</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Hlavac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hlavac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He lost his client because he&#039;s an incompetent fool; not because of what we did - he should take responsibility for his own actions instead of blaming us for his woes. And in fact, he should thank us for providing him with a new job! Why, he and Maggie Gallagher, Sprigg, Perkins, all of them, on and on through the incestuous polygamy of the NO GAYS! movement, they all have jobs because of us! We wake up; they&#039;re employed. Do they thank us? No, they do not. 

Interestingly, however, is that the word &quot;turek&quot; (if he&#039;s of Czech/Slovak heritage, which is likely, since it&#039;s a Czech word, like my last name is a Czech word, too,) means &quot;turnip farmer&quot; or &quot;turnip dealer.&quot; From &quot;Turn, turin&quot; = a turnip. Egad, he lives up to his name; he&#039;s a turnip head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He lost his client because he&#8217;s an incompetent fool; not because of what we did &#8211; he should take responsibility for his own actions instead of blaming us for his woes. And in fact, he should thank us for providing him with a new job! Why, he and Maggie Gallagher, Sprigg, Perkins, all of them, on and on through the incestuous polygamy of the NO GAYS! movement, they all have jobs because of us! We wake up; they&#8217;re employed. Do they thank us? No, they do not. </p>
<p>Interestingly, however, is that the word &#8220;turek&#8221; (if he&#8217;s of Czech/Slovak heritage, which is likely, since it&#8217;s a Czech word, like my last name is a Czech word, too,) means &#8220;turnip farmer&#8221; or &#8220;turnip dealer.&#8221; From &#8220;Turn, turin&#8221; = a turnip. Egad, he lives up to his name; he&#8217;s a turnip head.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peron</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Peron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a guy who claims that gay people hurt others and should be illegal and the hurt he mentions is that they offend people like him. Apparently offending others by existing is harm to others. So, how does that principle not apply to him?

He is clearly a pathetic scholar who makes shit up as he goes along. In his book on victimless crimes he claimed that Roger Williams signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. To have accomplished that deed Williams would have had to have died at the age of 173. So much for accuracy. Clearly Williams signed neither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a guy who claims that gay people hurt others and should be illegal and the hurt he mentions is that they offend people like him. Apparently offending others by existing is harm to others. So, how does that principle not apply to him?</p>
<p>He is clearly a pathetic scholar who makes shit up as he goes along. In his book on victimless crimes he claimed that Roger Williams signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. To have accomplished that deed Williams would have had to have died at the age of 173. So much for accuracy. Clearly Williams signed neither.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is rather telling that conservative anti-gays suddenly descend into fascism? communism? some other weird economic system? when these sorts of issues arise.

When someone makes an anti-gay statement, gay people and pro-gay corporations can&#039;t choose not to spend money on said person or said person&#039;s business. If that sounds confusing, it is because it is such a deeply confusing position to take. They literally want to dictate where we spend our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is rather telling that conservative anti-gays suddenly descend into fascism? communism? some other weird economic system? when these sorts of issues arise.</p>
<p>When someone makes an anti-gay statement, gay people and pro-gay corporations can&#8217;t choose not to spend money on said person or said person&#8217;s business. If that sounds confusing, it is because it is such a deeply confusing position to take. They literally want to dictate where we spend our money.</p>
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		<title>By: elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 02:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they really want to be martyrs, I suggest they die first. Martyrs are dead, not alive. I guess someone forgot to tell them that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they really want to be martyrs, I suggest they die first. Martyrs are dead, not alive. I guess someone forgot to tell them that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bose in St. Peter MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bose in St. Peter MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Rob.

It struck me as hugely misleading, also, that he seems to equate losing one of his clients to any person with a full-time job being fired. &lt;em&gt;See, because this happened to me, your livelihood is threatened, too!&lt;/em&gt;

The high-level gigs he delivers take years of careful relationship-building to win, and yet are just as quickly lost in the midst of competitive pressures. Doing a gig last year and having lots of supportive friends inside your client&#039;s executive offices don&#039;t mean you&#039;re guaranteed a similar gig this year.

Even more grating, though, is that joining the fray as NOM&#039;s #1 martyr makes further loss of clients a self-fulfilling prophecy. If his client roster is as peppered with Fortune 500 companies as he claims, many more of them are going to question their relationships with him.

The only reasonable conclusion is that Turek has known, for a long time, that his anti-gay work would one day cost him corporate clients. He&#039;s been deftly navigating executive office suites and boardrooms during the same years that the execs were implementing non-discrimination policies for LGBT folks in hiring, promotion, and benefits. Success has required him to be deeply closeted about his anti-gay work, coming out only to a few kindred souls.

Outed now, as he expected, it&#039;s time to shift his business model from 90/10 corporate/anti-gay to 50/50 or 30/70.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Rob.</p>
<p>It struck me as hugely misleading, also, that he seems to equate losing one of his clients to any person with a full-time job being fired. <em>See, because this happened to me, your livelihood is threatened, too!</em></p>
<p>The high-level gigs he delivers take years of careful relationship-building to win, and yet are just as quickly lost in the midst of competitive pressures. Doing a gig last year and having lots of supportive friends inside your client&#8217;s executive offices don&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re guaranteed a similar gig this year.</p>
<p>Even more grating, though, is that joining the fray as NOM&#8217;s #1 martyr makes further loss of clients a self-fulfilling prophecy. If his client roster is as peppered with Fortune 500 companies as he claims, many more of them are going to question their relationships with him.</p>
<p>The only reasonable conclusion is that Turek has known, for a long time, that his anti-gay work would one day cost him corporate clients. He&#8217;s been deftly navigating executive office suites and boardrooms during the same years that the execs were implementing non-discrimination policies for LGBT folks in hiring, promotion, and benefits. Success has required him to be deeply closeted about his anti-gay work, coming out only to a few kindred souls.</p>
<p>Outed now, as he expected, it&#8217;s time to shift his business model from 90/10 corporate/anti-gay to 50/50 or 30/70.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the name Frank Turek sounds familiar, it might be because you heard it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/28/37479&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the name Frank Turek sounds familiar, it might be because you heard it <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/09/28/37479" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">here.</a></p>
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