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	<title>Comments on: Tenn High School Principal Allegedly Threatens Student Over Pro-Gay Tee-shirt</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucrese

Isn’t it lovely how so many systems (schools, police, etc) get to be in charge of investigating themselves of any offenses, as if they would ever be impartial?

I&#039;m sure it may have happened, but I can&#039;t recall a single instance in which a police investigation has ever found police officers or a department to be as guilty (with overwhelming evidence) as they declare others to be (with minimal evidence).  

In Fullerton where six police officers beat a schizophrenic man to death - on parking surveillance tape, with police recordings, and a host of witnesses - the internal investigation still hasn&#039;t concluded any wrongdoing.  The main officer being tried for murder is still receiving salary.

If a local radio newstalk team (John and Ken) hadn&#039;t made it their primary focus for weeks, it&#039;s unlikely that the DA would have touched the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucrese</p>
<p>Isn’t it lovely how so many systems (schools, police, etc) get to be in charge of investigating themselves of any offenses, as if they would ever be impartial?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it may have happened, but I can&#8217;t recall a single instance in which a police investigation has ever found police officers or a department to be as guilty (with overwhelming evidence) as they declare others to be (with minimal evidence).  </p>
<p>In Fullerton where six police officers beat a schizophrenic man to death &#8211; on parking surveillance tape, with police recordings, and a host of witnesses &#8211; the internal investigation still hasn&#8217;t concluded any wrongdoing.  The main officer being tried for murder is still receiving salary.</p>
<p>If a local radio newstalk team (John and Ken) hadn&#8217;t made it their primary focus for weeks, it&#8217;s unlikely that the DA would have touched the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Lazybrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Lazybrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Principal has always been the bully on this.  He&#039;s been working to stop the group for about six months now.  Apparently, the GSA people have claimed that there have been teachers willing to sponsor the group, but strangely, those sponsorships have all been withdrawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Principal has always been the bully on this.  He&#8217;s been working to stop the group for about six months now.  Apparently, the GSA people have claimed that there have been teachers willing to sponsor the group, but strangely, those sponsorships have all been withdrawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God, now the principal turns out to be &quot;the bully&quot;. In my day dress codes at High School were very strict.  They could send you home for a nearly any reason if the administration thought you were dressed improperly.  But, the could not beat you up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God, now the principal turns out to be &#8220;the bully&#8221;. In my day dress codes at High School were very strict.  They could send you home for a nearly any reason if the administration thought you were dressed improperly.  But, the could not beat you up.</p>
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		<title>By: mark miner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark miner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Gay kids in Tennessee getting beaten up by PRINCIPALS and PASTORS in the same week!  Tenneessee is happening faster than Morgan Jon Fox can make movies about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Gay kids in Tennessee getting beaten up by PRINCIPALS and PASTORS in the same week!  Tenneessee is happening faster than Morgan Jon Fox can make movies about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now let&#039;s take bets on NEXT week&#039;s big story in the local paper.  My money is on something that involves the town&#039;s leading lights wringing their hands and desperately trying to figure out why all the young people get the hell out of town when they turn 18.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now let&#8217;s take bets on NEXT week&#8217;s big story in the local paper.  My money is on something that involves the town&#8217;s leading lights wringing their hands and desperately trying to figure out why all the young people get the hell out of town when they turn 18.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blackdog: the one dubiously gay man in your town was someone off the radar. However, if he&#039;d been one of TWO, in a couple, rest assured it would have been seen as a MAJOR conspiracy for gays taking over the joint.

   Nobody thinks they are necessarily, racist, sexist or homophobic until there are the very people around to actually TEST their attitudes on. If a town or school is homogenic, then how can they know WHAT they know (or don&#039;t) about a person or minority of people?
 Certainly the evidence of gays and lesbians coming out at such very young ages is part of why there ARE so many higher incidents of assault, but this time from the ADULTS in this equation. Like teachers, pastors and parents.
 The essential trifecta of one&#039;s social network.

   Before, gay people didn&#039;t even let their families know they were gay until well into adulthood and typically far from home. Which confused these people into thinking that gay people &#039;became&#039; gay once their associations were with more gay people.
  The courageous gay kids and their supporters out there are TRYING to tell the adults that this has NOTHING to do with mere association on whether you is or ain&#039;t, but when it was safe to let someone know.
 Apparently for some kids, the adults NEVER want to know.
And in an EDUCATIONAL setting, for the adults in charge to discourage positive education and real answers to questions they have been to stupid and fearful to ask, well...makes on wonder why an educator WOULD discourage education.

   The kids are alright, it&#039;s the lily livered adults who have their heads up their asses in TN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blackdog: the one dubiously gay man in your town was someone off the radar. However, if he&#8217;d been one of TWO, in a couple, rest assured it would have been seen as a MAJOR conspiracy for gays taking over the joint.</p>
<p>   Nobody thinks they are necessarily, racist, sexist or homophobic until there are the very people around to actually TEST their attitudes on. If a town or school is homogenic, then how can they know WHAT they know (or don&#8217;t) about a person or minority of people?<br />
 Certainly the evidence of gays and lesbians coming out at such very young ages is part of why there ARE so many higher incidents of assault, but this time from the ADULTS in this equation. Like teachers, pastors and parents.<br />
 The essential trifecta of one&#8217;s social network.</p>
<p>   Before, gay people didn&#8217;t even let their families know they were gay until well into adulthood and typically far from home. Which confused these people into thinking that gay people &#8216;became&#8217; gay once their associations were with more gay people.<br />
  The courageous gay kids and their supporters out there are TRYING to tell the adults that this has NOTHING to do with mere association on whether you is or ain&#8217;t, but when it was safe to let someone know.<br />
 Apparently for some kids, the adults NEVER want to know.<br />
And in an EDUCATIONAL setting, for the adults in charge to discourage positive education and real answers to questions they have been to stupid and fearful to ask, well&#8230;makes on wonder why an educator WOULD discourage education.</p>
<p>   The kids are alright, it&#8217;s the lily livered adults who have their heads up their asses in TN.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Baltimore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightning Baltimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Priya:

That&#039;s the obvious side. I meant what&#039;s the other one: evil gays want to be treated like *shudder* human beings?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Priya:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the obvious side. I meant what&#8217;s the other one: evil gays want to be treated like *shudder* human beings?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it lovely how so many systems (schools, police, etc) get to be in charge of investigating themselves of any offenses, as if they would ever be impartial?

I&#039;m tired of all these &quot;investigations&quot; which actually translate into evidence erasing/burying campaigns so the school board can say what it always says: &quot;Our reports found no evidence of it happening.&quot;

Of course they will never find evidence! Admitting to fault opens them up for litigationa dn even criminal prosecution. Why would they ever aid in getting their own judged unfavorably?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it lovely how so many systems (schools, police, etc) get to be in charge of investigating themselves of any offenses, as if they would ever be impartial?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of all these &#8220;investigations&#8221; which actually translate into evidence erasing/burying campaigns so the school board can say what it always says: &#8220;Our reports found no evidence of it happening.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course they will never find evidence! Admitting to fault opens them up for litigationa dn even criminal prosecution. Why would they ever aid in getting their own judged unfavorably?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of it is probably also a backlash against the increased visibility of gay people in the last 10-15 years. It&#039;s simply a lot more talked about in the media and in politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of it is probably also a backlash against the increased visibility of gay people in the last 10-15 years. It&#8217;s simply a lot more talked about in the media and in politics.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ KZ: I don&#039;t remember much more than the occasional gay joke when I was in high school (Graduated 1992) and I&#039;m from a small, redneck town. We had (I think?) a Gay dude in my class and there was one debateably bisexual girl in the entire school. I had an (Out and dying of AIDS) gay neighbor who was really cool...and everybody worried about his health and nobody cared so much that he was gay. My hometown is/was 99.9% white so not very diverse otherwise either and I STILL don&#039;t recall massive amounts of homophobia.

I really do think all this anti-gayness is a product of the politicization of everything by the Christian right in the 1990&#039;s and early 2000&#039;s. It&#039;s a &#039;safe&#039; &quot;sin&quot; as in one that a lot of them don&#039;t do and they can use it to inflame people&#039;s ego and prejudice.

For a while, it was the last socially acceptable prejudice...so they ran with it. It&#039;s base and cheap and wrong...and of course they don&#039;t give a shit that it&#039;s wrong.

It pisses me off, it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ KZ: I don&#8217;t remember much more than the occasional gay joke when I was in high school (Graduated 1992) and I&#8217;m from a small, redneck town. We had (I think?) a Gay dude in my class and there was one debateably bisexual girl in the entire school. I had an (Out and dying of AIDS) gay neighbor who was really cool&#8230;and everybody worried about his health and nobody cared so much that he was gay. My hometown is/was 99.9% white so not very diverse otherwise either and I STILL don&#8217;t recall massive amounts of homophobia.</p>
<p>I really do think all this anti-gayness is a product of the politicization of everything by the Christian right in the 1990&#8242;s and early 2000&#8242;s. It&#8217;s a &#8216;safe&#8217; &#8220;sin&#8221; as in one that a lot of them don&#8217;t do and they can use it to inflame people&#8217;s ego and prejudice.</p>
<p>For a while, it was the last socially acceptable prejudice&#8230;so they ran with it. It&#8217;s base and cheap and wrong&#8230;and of course they don&#8217;t give a shit that it&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>It pisses me off, it does.</p>
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