Comments on: Here’s the Science, Mr. Cain

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:37:10 +0000

Erin,

Be sure to spend that $10 on a treat that you do not need and otherwise would not get. Maybe a Haagen Dasz sundae or some sparkly trifle in the window of a quaint second-hand store. You deserve it.

By: Erin

Erin — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:36:04 +0000

I’ll just give myself $10 now. Stupid trolls.

By: Erin

Erin — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:55:34 +0000

Also, to add to yet another of VOR’s ridiculous comments: Why is your personal experience more important than mine? I am a lesbian. Both my mother and father were present in my life and are still together. My mother was religious and taught me being gay was wrong and I bought into it, enough to tell my friend at school I thought being gay was an awful sin, when the topic came up. I changed my mind when I fell in love with another woman at the age of 15, and realized I was never even physically attracted to boys, let alone in love with any one of them. My best gay male friend had both parents in his life, and they’re still together. He doesn’t see them often because they spout the same religious bs about the “evil” of the gay whenever they see him. He too, could not deny he was solely interested in men. My other gay male friend’s parents are still together. When his college degree wasn’t helping him find a job, his father taught him the plumber trade and he still works as a plumber part time for his father’s business. My partner’s father is a Baptist minister and his wife sings in the church choir. Yet, she’s 100% homosexual. She loves me and has never felt this way about a man. What say you now, spouter of bs?

By: Erin

Erin — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:43:05 +0000

Ten bucks says Voice of Reason and the other trolls won’t come back to defend their statements from the holes in them you guys already pointed out.

By: Jim Burroway

Jim Burroway — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:25:16 +0000

n fact, I play music, paint, cook and to many males, could be considered a candidate.

My god. I think I just saw the most ignorant statement about what it means to be gay in my entire lifetime.

Honey, playing music, painting and cooking isn’t what makes you a candidate. Finding men attractive and falling in love with one — that’s what makes you a candidate.

Idiot.

By: CPT_Doom

CPT_Doom — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 02:59:30 +0000

@ Harry – “volitional behavior”? Really? You mean like choice of religion? I am sure the hundreds of people burned at the stake during the Wars of the Reformation were so happy to know they were not hated for who they were.

As for Mr. Cain’s science – I think he should first show us the science proving that being black is genetically distinct from being white, seeing as our concept of “race” has no scientific basis (there is only one race – the human race).

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 02:04:54 +0000

As for genetics “never been proven”, perhaps its wise to actually do a bit of looking about before you spout nonsense. Especially if you are doing it on a site that tracks this kind of thing.

Have at it. Just type “cause” or “biology” or “twins” or “genetics” or “hair-whorls” or “x-chromosome” in the search box.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 02:01:43 +0000

VoR,

ummm when did your personal experience become more relevant than the studies that you dismiss as “sociological observations.”

While you may think it a very complex response to environmental factors, your theory actually has less scientific support than the notion that homosexuality is caused by Gerber strained peas. At least the Gerber theory hasn’t been proven a failure over and over and no one has died as consequence.

I don’t care if you are insensitive. I care that you are presenting nonsense – harmful nonsense – while disparaging science all so that you can feel that your political/social/religious views are justified.

And that is evil.

By: Voice of Reason

Voice of Reason — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:22:04 +0000

To say it is a choice may over simplify, but the “studies” cited are merely sociological observations. In my personal experience I have observed several gays whose fathers were in the home but entirely absent with no relationship with the sons who appeared to seek male approval their entire lives thereafter. My best friend and housemate in graduate school was a prolific heterosexual hedonist who became involved in the NYC homsoexual scene after feeling “cheapened”, as he described it to me, by his profligate life. He died of AIDS. I feel sorry for those who struggle and see it as a very complex response to environmental factors, rather than genetics, which have never been proven. I am not insensitive; in fact, I play music, paint, cook and to many males, could be considered a candidate.

By: Donny D.

Donny D. — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:59:39 +0000

Lynn David wrote:

He’ll never put himself in a position where he has to discuss any science on the matter. And should he do so, he’ll be sure to have some pseudo-science from NARTH to back him up.

I don’t think he would. Because cozying up to NARTH would be too incendiary.

I think his statement was a lot more well-planned than it might seem. He implicitly pushes the idea that there is no science supporting the unchangability of sexual orientation, while not touching the pseudo-science that supports the choice/change notion. If he can get people to buy that there is no science against what he says, than what he believes is apparently equal in truth value to those who support reality.

He’s also injecting an anti-gay meme into the political culture, or giving it a lot more publicity than it’s had so far.