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	<title>Comments on: An Open Letter to Alan Chambers</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty,

I&#039;m not defending Exodus.  I&#039;m requiring you to provide support for your claims. 

You asserted that Exodus engages in the abuse of children, the sort of abuse that &quot;child protective services or mental health associations&quot; should address.

You made a serious claim.  If you have any evidence of child abuse on the part of Exodus, provide it.  I assure you that we will do what is necessary to address any child abuse and be certain the state agencies get involved.

But vague references to their website are simply not adequate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending Exodus.  I&#8217;m requiring you to provide support for your claims. </p>
<p>You asserted that Exodus engages in the abuse of children, the sort of abuse that &#8220;child protective services or mental health associations&#8221; should address.</p>
<p>You made a serious claim.  If you have any evidence of child abuse on the part of Exodus, provide it.  I assure you that we will do what is necessary to address any child abuse and be certain the state agencies get involved.</p>
<p>But vague references to their website are simply not adequate.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty can you provide a link to &quot;I had no trouble finding accusations of abuse on the Exodus website in the comments sections and blogs&quot;
I would like to read them. Just one or two is enough.

Tim you are coming across as condescending, just so you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty can you provide a link to &#8220;I had no trouble finding accusations of abuse on the Exodus website in the comments sections and blogs&#8221;<br />
I would like to read them. Just one or two is enough.</p>
<p>Tim you are coming across as condescending, just so you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, I did not say Exodus caused these suicides! Are you actually defending Exodus? Priya is exactly right, and is entitled to her &quot;opinion&quot;, and you have no right to tell anyone to be quiet!

ABUSE is exactly what they do! I had no trouble finding accusations of abuse on the Exodus website in the comments sections and blogs,  on their facebook pages and numerous other sources! They don&#039;t even bother to erase them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, I did not say Exodus caused these suicides! Are you actually defending Exodus? Priya is exactly right, and is entitled to her &#8220;opinion&#8221;, and you have no right to tell anyone to be quiet!</p>
<p>ABUSE is exactly what they do! I had no trouble finding accusations of abuse on the Exodus website in the comments sections and blogs,  on their facebook pages and numerous other sources! They don&#8217;t even bother to erase them!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/12/03/39321/comment-page-1#comment-111406</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn, here&#039;s an oddity.  In  this instance you actually are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; entitled to your own opinion.

Accusations of abuse to children are serious.  And if they are stated at BTB, they need to be substantiated.  And as abuse of children is illegal, such accusations have to stand up to the legal definitions. 

And, so far anyway, &quot;having theological opinions that differ from those of Priya Lynn&quot; is not included under any child protections laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn, here&#8217;s an oddity.  In  this instance you actually are <i>not</i> entitled to your own opinion.</p>
<p>Accusations of abuse to children are serious.  And if they are stated at BTB, they need to be substantiated.  And as abuse of children is illegal, such accusations have to stand up to the legal definitions. </p>
<p>And, so far anyway, &#8220;having theological opinions that differ from those of Priya Lynn&#8221; is not included under any child protections laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, they tell people its wrong to be gay, that their god dislikes their gayness, they tell they are doomed to be lonely and unhappy, that is abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, they tell people its wrong to be gay, that their god dislikes their gayness, they tell they are doomed to be lonely and unhappy, that is abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty,

To the best of my knowledge, none of the children in the past year or so&#039;s spate of suicides were in ex-gay ministries. 
Further, I know of no recent instances of abuse (much less ABUSE) of children in Exodus ministries.  If you know otherwise, please provide a source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty,</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, none of the children in the past year or so&#8217;s spate of suicides were in ex-gay ministries.<br />
Further, I know of no recent instances of abuse (much less ABUSE) of children in Exodus ministries.  If you know otherwise, please provide a source.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with Exodus is the &quot;youth&quot; program. The parents are told it&#039;s their fault, they are instructed to punish, isolate, and control these helpless children to the point of mental abuse! The children are humiliated, degraded, and bombarded with self-loathing to the point that serious psychological damage is inflicted.

If adults are so infected with self-loathing and feel the need to pretend to be straight it is sad but they are able as consenting adults to decide what path to take. Children do not have a choice, parents make them participate in these scam programs. I can&#039;t help but wonder why child protective services or mental health associations have not intervened to stop the abuse and mental damage done by Exodus? Many children who are forced into these programs already face harassment and bullying in school, why must they be tortured by families and religious groups as well?

The gay community is too tolerant of these groups, we have an obligation to act, we MUST do something to stop gay children from being ABUSED! No wonder so many choose suicide! Writing letters is emotional masturbation, it might make you feel better but it is completely useless and does not help stop what we all know is wrong! I ask ALL of you, what can we do? Can we petition existing agencies to act? Can we sue them? Please help me help these children, we must act!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with Exodus is the &#8220;youth&#8221; program. The parents are told it&#8217;s their fault, they are instructed to punish, isolate, and control these helpless children to the point of mental abuse! The children are humiliated, degraded, and bombarded with self-loathing to the point that serious psychological damage is inflicted.</p>
<p>If adults are so infected with self-loathing and feel the need to pretend to be straight it is sad but they are able as consenting adults to decide what path to take. Children do not have a choice, parents make them participate in these scam programs. I can&#8217;t help but wonder why child protective services or mental health associations have not intervened to stop the abuse and mental damage done by Exodus? Many children who are forced into these programs already face harassment and bullying in school, why must they be tortured by families and religious groups as well?</p>
<p>The gay community is too tolerant of these groups, we have an obligation to act, we MUST do something to stop gay children from being ABUSED! No wonder so many choose suicide! Writing letters is emotional masturbation, it might make you feel better but it is completely useless and does not help stop what we all know is wrong! I ask ALL of you, what can we do? Can we petition existing agencies to act? Can we sue them? Please help me help these children, we must act!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Jonson</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/12/03/39321/comment-page-1#comment-111380</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a waste of bandwidth if you think that these people have an ounce of conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a waste of bandwidth if you think that these people have an ounce of conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: iDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>iDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS  Sorry if I got a little &quot;off topic&quot;. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS  Sorry if I got a little &#8220;off topic&#8221;. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: iDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>iDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StraightGrandmother

I am very impressed with John Smid as he is coming from the heart and I feel it. He is a work in progress for sure and I&#039;m proud of him. 

Alan Chambers and his ex-sex-thug Randy Thomas, are another story though. Randy is over at his gay blog (exgaysuperstar.com) bragging he is attracted to a woman. He&#039;s attracted to countless guys but attracted to one woman. He&#039;s nuts. It&#039;s pretty funny to see a gay-face gay-voice as obvious as his say that, since in his gay finishing school class, graduated second  to Rip Taylor. (he cried) 
He&#039;s doing Ex-housewife of Exodus International buy sending out hand painted Christmas cards to his bloggers, rarely if ever mentioning his past w Exodus. Truly nauseating considering the damage he is still doing. Thomas is acting like leaving Exodus gives him some sort of get out of jail free card, while gay kids are getting kicked out of their homes at Xmas and gay suicides are happening in towns across America. He is truly a screaming little pip. 

Alan and Randy both need intense divine interventions from the man upstairs tho Randy is probably more open than Alan due to Alan&#039;s kids and wife schtick. They both come off as fake fake fake religious frauds. I think the best we can expect from Chambers is that he resigns and fades away. 

Thanks for pointing out John Smid&#039;s blog. It&#039;s filled with depth realism and authenticity, where I think we all can get something of value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StraightGrandmother</p>
<p>I am very impressed with John Smid as he is coming from the heart and I feel it. He is a work in progress for sure and I&#8217;m proud of him. </p>
<p>Alan Chambers and his ex-sex-thug Randy Thomas, are another story though. Randy is over at his gay blog (exgaysuperstar.com) bragging he is attracted to a woman. He&#8217;s attracted to countless guys but attracted to one woman. He&#8217;s nuts. It&#8217;s pretty funny to see a gay-face gay-voice as obvious as his say that, since in his gay finishing school class, graduated second  to Rip Taylor. (he cried)<br />
He&#8217;s doing Ex-housewife of Exodus International buy sending out hand painted Christmas cards to his bloggers, rarely if ever mentioning his past w Exodus. Truly nauseating considering the damage he is still doing. Thomas is acting like leaving Exodus gives him some sort of get out of jail free card, while gay kids are getting kicked out of their homes at Xmas and gay suicides are happening in towns across America. He is truly a screaming little pip. </p>
<p>Alan and Randy both need intense divine interventions from the man upstairs tho Randy is probably more open than Alan due to Alan&#8217;s kids and wife schtick. They both come off as fake fake fake religious frauds. I think the best we can expect from Chambers is that he resigns and fades away. </p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out John Smid&#8217;s blog. It&#8217;s filled with depth realism and authenticity, where I think we all can get something of value.</p>
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