And did you ever notice how pro-lifers are always among the most enthusiastically dependable cheer-leaders for every war and capital punishment (although Catholics seem to have more consistency than many others on life issues).

No, I haven’t noticed that. Some pro-lifers are down the line secular conservatives, and some are not. Some are serious about being pro-life, often specifically in regard to war or the death penalty. So no, I’ve not noticed that pro-lifers are always the most pro-war and pro-death penalty.

However, the theologically conservative milieux from which pro-life sentiment come tend to show great discomfort around female sexuality. I simply don’t see these people as being big champions in the fight against ailments that attack the female productive system. I think Timothy’s criticism is completely on target here.

Your enthusiasm is commendable, but your grasp of facts is lacking. But hang in there, because you’re learning.

We’ve been following the ex-gay movement for many years, and Exodus in particular. We have met with people who are in the movement, as well as those who have survived it and come out as gay. We know personally people who used to hold leadership positions in ex-gay ministries but who now are among its many critics. We are well aware of the statements from professional organizations, and we are also well aware of the harms that many people who have undergone ex-gay therapy have experienced.

Timothy, do your own research, I am not your administrative assistant!

No. You do your own research before commenting. That’s what our comments policy require — that claims be substantiated. It’s what sets BTB apart from other blogs. We expect people to be able to back up their claims and not come blowing in here repeating whatever rumors, misinformation, or misunderstandings that they may have picked up elsewhere. And so when a claim sounds odd, we or any of our commenters can challenge the person making the claim to back it up. This happens all the time here, because we (the writers and our readers) insist on accuracy. So please don’t take it personally.

And I would like to point out that Timothy’s challenge to you to provide a source proved to be an educational experience for you — at least I hope so, once you remember what is meant by “rates” — it means the numbers are already adjusted for population. Which means Texas has the third highest rate, not the highest rate as you first claimed. See? Wasn’t that research exercise valuable to you? You made a claim that was factually incorrect, but now that you know the truth, you can confidently point out that Texas has the third highest teen birth rate of the fifty states because now you have the data to back it up.

Having done that, now I am going to have to ask for substantiation of “A lawsuit over a teen lesbian who had to ESCAPE the exodus teen program.”

Thank you for providing sources on the Texas claim.

But as to Exodus, literally everything you wrote above is false. Just… false.

I appreciate your zeal, but man do you ever need to check google before you comment.

Texas ranks 3rd in teen birth rates, however they have a larger population,

for pregnancy

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/state-issues/125059-cdc-finds-stark-regional-disparities-in-teen-pregnancy-rates

again Texas ranks 3rd in the rates but the population is much larger than the other states, Mississippi and New Mexico so they have way more teen pregnancies!

Timothy, do your own research, I am not your administrative assistant! I went through the same thing with you when you claimed Exodus never abused children when youtube and many other sites are FULL of stories! A lawsuit over a teen lesbian who had to ESCAPE the exodus teen program is what finally shut the youth resident program down! Additionally, the AMA, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, U.S. Surgeon General, American Counseling Association, and many others have denounced conversion therapy as damaging and dangerous so your defense of exodus against abuse claims is ABSURD!

What is your source for teen pregnancies?

http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201111010001

EOJinDC, There is a culture war, one that denies logic and reason over rabid dog frothing at the mouth religion and the more advances we make the harder and dirtier they fight!

I agree, the best way to stop abortion is education, yet these same people who hate abortion do everything they can to prevent sex education! For example in Texas where they teach “abstinence only” sex ed and have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the nation! They rant that teaching teens about prevention is encouraging them to have sex! That is culture, a religious culture who are immune to knowledge, impervious to fact, and any attempt to educate provokes a victim under attack response. It may seem like splitting hairs but “culture” is by dictionary terms “The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization, or group”, and a valid description of the causes of the “culture war”.

We have not won, it feels like we take one step forward and two steps back, for every state that passed a “marriage equality amendment” 2 or more passed a “defense of marriage act” and the state laws don’t really mean much if they are not federally legal.