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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul&#8217;s Name</title>
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		<title>By: Non-Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Non-Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Just keep laughing. Soon enough, it will turn into wailing, when (if) you succeed you get another four years of Obama, or of whatever republican besides Ron Paul (or hell, Gary Johnson). I&#039;d rather have Ron Paul who *supposedly* doesn&#039;t &quot;give a shit&quot; about gay rights, apparently because he doesn&#039;t say &quot;gay&quot; enough in an interview than  an Obama who claims to bleed rainbows for gays, and does nothing for them, merely using them as political capital. Sorry, I have a functioning brain, and I will vote for the candidate that serves my interests (and the interests of America) best (and yes I am gay) and that is Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Just keep laughing. Soon enough, it will turn into wailing, when (if) you succeed you get another four years of Obama, or of whatever republican besides Ron Paul (or hell, Gary Johnson). I&#8217;d rather have Ron Paul who *supposedly* doesn&#8217;t &#8220;give a shit&#8221; about gay rights, apparently because he doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;gay&#8221; enough in an interview than  an Obama who claims to bleed rainbows for gays, and does nothing for them, merely using them as political capital. Sorry, I have a functioning brain, and I will vote for the candidate that serves my interests (and the interests of America) best (and yes I am gay) and that is Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on foreign policy, Rob, but you have to know Paul is never going to get elected for precisely that reason. I think our economic woes and the growing wealth gap and the war take precedence over gay issues, but that doesn&#039;t mean i don&#039;t believe we should have had equal rights yesterday. There is something much bigger than voters voices at work in our government&#039;s involvement in Israel. We provide the majority of the funding for refugee camps for Palestinians whose families have been misplaced for generations, and we put no pressure on Israel to offer these families a path to citizenship in their own homeland. We fund the Israeli military, which is now the second largest in the world behind ours. They are the Middle-Eastern puppet state of the wealthy elite Europeans and Americans and those folks are not going to give up control of those markets or resources any time soon. And our propaganda machine we call the media, whether it is supposedly Liberal or Conservative has made it so anything less than full support of every Israeli policy is anti-American. I feel like this whole argument and scrutiny of Ron Paul is a waste of time. Unless there can be a nation wide effort to replace propaganda with education and elect people who have those good ideas Paul has and who haven&#039;t been bought out by lobbyists in every branch of the federal government, we&#039;re not going to see those ideals be put into place. It is about as futile as voting for someone simply because he has pledged to overturn Roe V Wade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on foreign policy, Rob, but you have to know Paul is never going to get elected for precisely that reason. I think our economic woes and the growing wealth gap and the war take precedence over gay issues, but that doesn&#8217;t mean i don&#8217;t believe we should have had equal rights yesterday. There is something much bigger than voters voices at work in our government&#8217;s involvement in Israel. We provide the majority of the funding for refugee camps for Palestinians whose families have been misplaced for generations, and we put no pressure on Israel to offer these families a path to citizenship in their own homeland. We fund the Israeli military, which is now the second largest in the world behind ours. They are the Middle-Eastern puppet state of the wealthy elite Europeans and Americans and those folks are not going to give up control of those markets or resources any time soon. And our propaganda machine we call the media, whether it is supposedly Liberal or Conservative has made it so anything less than full support of every Israeli policy is anti-American. I feel like this whole argument and scrutiny of Ron Paul is a waste of time. Unless there can be a nation wide effort to replace propaganda with education and elect people who have those good ideas Paul has and who haven&#8217;t been bought out by lobbyists in every branch of the federal government, we&#8217;re not going to see those ideals be put into place. It is about as futile as voting for someone simply because he has pledged to overturn Roe V Wade.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal, gay and a proud supporter of Ron Paul. So Ron Paul doesn&#039;t think highly of gays, that is nothing new from the republican field. Have any of you heard of a candidate names Santorum, Bachman, or Gingrich, none of them think highly of gays. All republicans think alike when it comes to gays, unless your a Log Cabin Republican. Language like that was used in the late 80&#039;s and early 90&#039;s, I know this because I remember not enjoying life back then as a gay kid in school.

Ron Paul has the best foreign policy I&#039;ve heard in my 30 years. You leave us alone, we leave you alone. We have to stop policing the world, we can&#039;t hold Israels hand forever, we have to let go and let them do their own thing without us there to back them up, we can&#039;t afford it, we&#039;re bleeding out of our pockets.

I love you Box Turtle, but your not going to get me to change my mind. I will not be voting for Obama this year, neither will any of my straight or gay friends here in San Diego, everyone loves him here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal, gay and a proud supporter of Ron Paul. So Ron Paul doesn&#8217;t think highly of gays, that is nothing new from the republican field. Have any of you heard of a candidate names Santorum, Bachman, or Gingrich, none of them think highly of gays. All republicans think alike when it comes to gays, unless your a Log Cabin Republican. Language like that was used in the late 80&#8242;s and early 90&#8242;s, I know this because I remember not enjoying life back then as a gay kid in school.</p>
<p>Ron Paul has the best foreign policy I&#8217;ve heard in my 30 years. You leave us alone, we leave you alone. We have to stop policing the world, we can&#8217;t hold Israels hand forever, we have to let go and let them do their own thing without us there to back them up, we can&#8217;t afford it, we&#8217;re bleeding out of our pockets.</p>
<p>I love you Box Turtle, but your not going to get me to change my mind. I will not be voting for Obama this year, neither will any of my straight or gay friends here in San Diego, everyone loves him here!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

Don&#039;t confuse Libertarian with libertarian.  The former is a party and the latter is an ideal.

Much like republican and democratic, the words may at times have little reflection on the actions or positions of the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse Libertarian with libertarian.  The former is a party and the latter is an ideal.</p>
<p>Much like republican and democratic, the words may at times have little reflection on the actions or positions of the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more I&#039;m viewing the label &lt;b&gt;libertarian&lt;/b&gt; as a convenient cover for being a &lt;b&gt;bigotarian&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more I&#8217;m viewing the label <b>libertarian</b> as a convenient cover for being a <b>bigotarian</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarianism = Anarchy &amp; Water</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarianism = Anarchy &amp; Water</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, I agree with you about Obama&#039;s attack on civil liberties, in some ways he&#039;s a twin of Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, I agree with you about Obama&#8217;s attack on civil liberties, in some ways he&#8217;s a twin of Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/12/26/40050/comment-page-1#comment-113144</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Priya Lynn quoted Mark saying: Mark has a point, and you have a point as well. I&#039;m very disappointed in Obama&#039;s continuation of Bush foreign policy and the continued attack on Civil Liberties, but I&#039;ve suspected for a while now that the president is just a figurehead who does what other, more powerful and more influential people tell him to do. So if Paul were elected, he&#039;d probably be coerced into doing the exact same things as well, or he just won&#039;t get elected because he hasn&#039;t been sold out to the right people. Sorry, just really cynical about our so-called democracy these days. I think Ben in Oakland summed up what I have to say on the matter perfectly. I really really appreciate when Ron Paul has the guts to speak out against the wars on terror and drugs, but I&#039;m tired of the cowardly catering to social conservatives. The libertarians of the South have long been  associated with White Supremacy: Strom Thurmond&#039;s States&#039; Rights party argued that forcing the South to end Jim Crow discrimination was against the states&#039; rights to form their own policy, all while conveniently ignoring the 14th amendment. No doubt ardent racists and homophobes and xenophobes have latched onto this nonsense excuse for decades. I don&#039;t know if Paul agrees with racist ideas, but I know politicians will take one side of a wedge issue if he feels that will draw him the most voters even if he disagrees or doesn&#039;t care. Folks in both major parties are guilty of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Priya Lynn quoted Mark saying: Mark has a point, and you have a point as well. I&#8217;m very disappointed in Obama&#8217;s continuation of Bush foreign policy and the continued attack on Civil Liberties, but I&#8217;ve suspected for a while now that the president is just a figurehead who does what other, more powerful and more influential people tell him to do. So if Paul were elected, he&#8217;d probably be coerced into doing the exact same things as well, or he just won&#8217;t get elected because he hasn&#8217;t been sold out to the right people. Sorry, just really cynical about our so-called democracy these days. I think Ben in Oakland summed up what I have to say on the matter perfectly. I really really appreciate when Ron Paul has the guts to speak out against the wars on terror and drugs, but I&#8217;m tired of the cowardly catering to social conservatives. The libertarians of the South have long been  associated with White Supremacy: Strom Thurmond&#8217;s States&#8217; Rights party argued that forcing the South to end Jim Crow discrimination was against the states&#8217; rights to form their own policy, all while conveniently ignoring the 14th amendment. No doubt ardent racists and homophobes and xenophobes have latched onto this nonsense excuse for decades. I don&#8217;t know if Paul agrees with racist ideas, but I know politicians will take one side of a wedge issue if he feels that will draw him the most voters even if he disagrees or doesn&#8217;t care. Folks in both major parties are guilty of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS I commented on another article, if this is an example of &quot;blogging difficulties,&quot; then bring on more of &#039;em.  Damn good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS I commented on another article, if this is an example of &#8220;blogging difficulties,&#8221; then bring on more of &#8216;em.  Damn good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark said &quot;How many people has Ron Paul held in indefinite detention without trial, how many people has he had assassinated, how many people has he killed in wars? How much bailout money has Ron given to corporations? How many hundreds of billions has he voted to spend on the military in countless overseas bases while millions suffer at home? How much foreign aid to anti-gay regimes has he supported?&quot;.

Zero, but he&#039;s not president and doesn&#039;t have the power to do such things.  If he was its guarenteed the number would be well above zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark said &#8220;How many people has Ron Paul held in indefinite detention without trial, how many people has he had assassinated, how many people has he killed in wars? How much bailout money has Ron given to corporations? How many hundreds of billions has he voted to spend on the military in countless overseas bases while millions suffer at home? How much foreign aid to anti-gay regimes has he supported?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Zero, but he&#8217;s not president and doesn&#8217;t have the power to do such things.  If he was its guarenteed the number would be well above zero.</p>
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