I wrote, “…I am not completely against cohabiting couples, heterosexu­al or homosexual­, or single people adopting.” Yet here you imply that I wish to ban single-gender couples from adopting.

Why is it necessary to misrepresent another person’s view, i.e., engage in the ignoble method of strawman arguments? Even Ben in Oakland got into the act.

He wrote here,”These children in the study you (JeremiahA) claim proves that gay people do not make good parents were in fact opposite sex marriages.” However, in my first post on this topic I wrote, “Is this study (Sarantakos) valid? If so, it corroborates Dr. Fitzgibbons’ point. If not, then it needs to be retracted along with the Sirota study.” Where did I claim that the Sirota study proves that gay people do not make good parents? I wrote the exact opposite. I wrote that the study should be retracted. Why? Because the Sirota study on gay and bisexual husbands did not support Dr. Fitzgibbons’ claim.

So I think concluding our discussion here would be best, especially since we reached an impasse on a rudimentary truism that one’s sex is pertinent to child rearing. If such an intuitively true (“intuition” in the philosophical usage), self-evident statement, unnecessarily backed by studies, could so easily be rejected, then it would be a misuse of our time to continue.

However, I do want to thank you for your generally even-keeled tone and from refraining to engage in the belligerent, hostile rhetoric prevalent here.

(And I do have to admit that Ben in Oakland’s conspiracy theories are fun to read. Here’s one he would probably enjoy…Ben is actually an anti-gay activist hired by co-conspirators (NOM, Christians, Muslims, Jews, NARTH, 7 million Prop. 8 California voters, AFTAH, the Boy Scouts, Domino’s Pizza, Cinemark Theaters, and the Salvation Army) to pretend to be a bellicose pro-gay advocate in order to make gay-friendly advocates look bad.)

and yet…and yet…

We have NUMEROUS examples of them distorting and falsifying data and research. I myself have caught him doing it twice, one time of which he ‘apologized” for. In this very blog posting, he tried to do it again , and was caught in a deliberate and clumsy lie.

So, what’s the story, J? You deny being a paid propagandist for the Religous Reich. You deny being an unpaid one. Yet clear as clear can be, you arE willing to lie, distort, and obfuscate in support of an obvious agenda.

Are you willing to tell us what your motivation is? Money? Fear. religion? Crazy?

I’m going to go with an otherwise intelligent soul buried within the darkness of you r hear. If I were like you, I probably Couldn’t live with myself.

It’s betting that you can. It is the nature of darkness.

I have no trouble understanding you at all.

I also asked Jeremiah how, even if he could somehow prove heterosexuals have an edge over same sex couples in parenting just by being straight, that can still be used as an excuse to deny kids a stable home with a same sex couple if the alternative is a group home, temporary foster home, or staying with an abusive parent. I will say it right now. With all other conditions of a person’s parenting capabilities being satisfactory, it is most of the time better to raise a child with the help of a second parent. I am not denouncing single parents. I know some who did a better job than many two-parent homes. But it is just easier financially, emotionally, and physically to have a second person there to help. And a happy, healthy, energized parent generally interacts better with the child and can focus more on positive parenting skills. But we know that’s not possible for all kids, and we give single parents the right to raise their kids, and in many sates, adopted kids, because a single man or woman can still really step it up and be a great parent. We don’t profile single parents as more capable of abuse or neglect. So what is the big fear about same sex couples that they should be disallowed to begin with?
Again science and common sense conclude that being gay does not rub off on people and can’t be taught to someone. It is an innate characteristic. So, if you’re worried about these kids being raised to turn out gay, that is preposterous. The worry in and of itself also reveals the underlying homophobia in all of this. If you’re worried children are more likely to be abused, again that is preposterous. There are nutjobs out there from all groups, male or female, gay or straight, but statistically children are more often abused by heterosexual men. Again, I’m not denouncing heterosexual men for the bad behavior of some.
If you think kids will be confused somehow, I’m just gonna call that for what it is: more bs. A child raised in such an environment will know and understand that environment just as well as I understood mommies and daddies raising children together in my childhood. I also understood single parenting and divorced parenting, and grandparents raising their grandchildren because I met other kids in those situations, and my parents never made it a habit to demonize them and therefore teach me to. The confusion is created by folks who cast out same sex couples as wrong and abnormal, when they’re simply less common, but as normal as everyone else who falls in love and wants to have a family.

Sorry my posts are so long. This parenting and procreation argument is the one the anti-gay side sticks to so much, but when you break it all down, it is more of the same fear and ignorance and demonizing same sex attracted people and same sex couples as inferior, abnormal, immoral, subhuman, etc. And it’s still bunk. And yes, I know I make a lot of typos. Sometimes I change tenses in the middle of a sentence or go from referring to things in the singular forum to the plural forum. I just type it out too fast and try to read as I go aloud in my head. I’m really not as horrible with grammar as my writings on the interwebs make me seem.