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	<title>Comments on: A changed Exodus</title>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, the answer changed. But is it possible that the change had less to do with who was the listener and perhaps some to do with alan’s own evolution?&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, and I&#039;ll be more inclined to believe that&#039;s what is actually going on when Alan Chambers writes an article in Christianity Today in which he states that 99.9% of the gay/same-sex attracted people he knows have not changed sexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, the answer changed. But is it possible that the change had less to do with who was the listener and perhaps some to do with alan’s own evolution?</i></p>
<p>Sure, and I&#8217;ll be more inclined to believe that&#8217;s what is actually going on when Alan Chambers writes an article in Christianity Today in which he states that 99.9% of the gay/same-sex attracted people he knows have not changed sexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, 

In 2004 Alan was one of tens of thousand
In 2006 he was 100% heterosexual
Last March he didn&#039;t know
And now he says basically that no one changed orientation. 

Yes, the answer changed. But is it possible that the change had less to do with who was the listener and perhaps some to do with alan&#039;s own evolution?

I don&#039;t like everything Alan says. But if our response is always to criticize for historical faults, why would he bother trying?  


Let me ask this as a brother: If there is never room for forgiveness, no place for growth, no possibility for redemption for Alan, then how do we approach God?  I don&#039;t know about you but my own failings far outweigh any time I&#039;ve been sinned against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, </p>
<p>In 2004 Alan was one of tens of thousand<br />
In 2006 he was 100% heterosexual<br />
Last March he didn&#8217;t know<br />
And now he says basically that no one changed orientation. </p>
<p>Yes, the answer changed. But is it possible that the change had less to do with who was the listener and perhaps some to do with alan&#8217;s own evolution?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like everything Alan says. But if our response is always to criticize for historical faults, why would he bother trying?  </p>
<p>Let me ask this as a brother: If there is never room for forgiveness, no place for growth, no possibility for redemption for Alan, then how do we approach God?  I don&#8217;t know about you but my own failings far outweigh any time I&#8217;ve been sinned against.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bussee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bussee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Lisa Ling asked Alan Chambers if his orientation had changed, he paused for a moment and answered: &quot;I don&#039;t know.&quot;   

That&#039;s quite a bit different than his 2006 statement to NPR that he was &quot;completely heterosexual&quot;.

He told NARTH in 2004 that he was one of &quot;tens of thousands&quot; who had successfully change their sexual orientation.

But last week told GCN that less than 99% do.  He changes his answers depending on the audience and who&#039;s asking the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Lisa Ling asked Alan Chambers if his orientation had changed, he paused for a moment and answered: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221;   </p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a bit different than his 2006 statement to NPR that he was &#8220;completely heterosexual&#8221;.</p>
<p>He told NARTH in 2004 that he was one of &#8220;tens of thousands&#8221; who had successfully change their sexual orientation.</p>
<p>But last week told GCN that less than 99% do.  He changes his answers depending on the audience and who&#8217;s asking the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So he lied in 2006. And hasn&#039;t owned up to it yet. That makes him a liar with years of lies to own up to. Which he hasn&#039;t. Not even a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So he lied in 2006. And hasn&#8217;t owned up to it yet. That makes him a liar with years of lies to own up to. Which he hasn&#8217;t. Not even a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I believe that taped in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I believe that taped in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, take a glance at the FAQ on Exodus&#039; website. They absolutely believe the things Rick posted. If they didn&#039;t, they would have scrapped them from their site. THey haven&#039;t. In fact they&#039;ve been there for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2011/02/what-exodus-believes-in-2011/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at least a year.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, take a glance at the FAQ on Exodus&#8217; website. They absolutely believe the things Rick posted. If they didn&#8217;t, they would have scrapped them from their site. THey haven&#8217;t. In fact they&#8217;ve been there for <a href="http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2011/02/what-exodus-believes-in-2011/" rel="nofollow">at least a year.</a></p>
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		<title>By: John in the Bay Area</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in the Bay Area</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

Alan Chambers stated unequivocally to Terry Gross on the NPR radio show &quot;Fresh Air&quot;  &quot;I am completely heterosexual!&quot;

I think that Alan Chambers knew that he was lying when he said that, but it doesn&#039;t change the fact that he said it.

Perhaps if he honestly confessed that he lied to Terry Gross (and oh so many others over the years) about becoming heterosexual, I could take his current babbling a bit more seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>Alan Chambers stated unequivocally to Terry Gross on the NPR radio show &#8220;Fresh Air&#8221;  &#8220;I am completely heterosexual!&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that Alan Chambers knew that he was lying when he said that, but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that he said it.</p>
<p>Perhaps if he honestly confessed that he lied to Terry Gross (and oh so many others over the years) about becoming heterosexual, I could take his current babbling a bit more seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 02:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Medina,

I don&#039;t think Alan considers himself to have changed from homosexual to heterosexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Medina,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Alan considers himself to have changed from homosexual to heterosexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: David Medina</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Medina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be fooled! Exodus is still (1) leading many to suicide; (2) others away from a relationship with God; and (3) fooling Christians to thinking gay people can change.

At the recent Gay Christian Network conference, Alan Chambers, himself, admitted that 99.9% of Exodus participants NEVER experience a re-orientation (but that he is one of the .1%.

With a dismal failure rate like that - why is Exodus still in business? Oh yeah... because they are a business! Alan probably makes $120K a year - would you give up a $120K job so easily?

I met Alan face-to-face and told him my story in 30 seconds.  He thanked me and I promised that I was committed to praying for him.

But who&#039;s praying for the millions of gay teens who struggle with acceptance? Or those that ultimately commit suicide like I once tried to do 20+ years ago.

The Bible says Satan is a wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing! Don&#039;t pretend Exodus is not the same!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled! Exodus is still (1) leading many to suicide; (2) others away from a relationship with God; and (3) fooling Christians to thinking gay people can change.</p>
<p>At the recent Gay Christian Network conference, Alan Chambers, himself, admitted that 99.9% of Exodus participants NEVER experience a re-orientation (but that he is one of the .1%.</p>
<p>With a dismal failure rate like that &#8211; why is Exodus still in business? Oh yeah&#8230; because they are a business! Alan probably makes $120K a year &#8211; would you give up a $120K job so easily?</p>
<p>I met Alan face-to-face and told him my story in 30 seconds.  He thanked me and I promised that I was committed to praying for him.</p>
<p>But who&#8217;s praying for the millions of gay teens who struggle with acceptance? Or those that ultimately commit suicide like I once tried to do 20+ years ago.</p>
<p>The Bible says Satan is a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing! Don&#8217;t pretend Exodus is not the same!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I wouldn’t be surprised if Alan does some &lt;b&gt;clarifying&lt;/b&gt; in the near future.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
. . . Randy Thomas

The definition of &lt;i&gt;clarify&lt;/i&gt; in the magic dictionary of our adversaries is:
 &lt;i&gt;&quot;to obfuscate&quot;&lt;/i&gt;   (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obfuscate)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I wouldn’t be surprised if Alan does some <b>clarifying</b> in the near future.&#8221;</i><br />
. . . Randy Thomas</p>
<p>The definition of <i>clarify</i> in the magic dictionary of our adversaries is:<br />
 <i>&#8220;to obfuscate&#8221;</i>   (<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obfuscate" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obfuscate</a>)</p>
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