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	<title>Comments on: Exodus steps up</title>
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		<title>By: CAISO</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/13/40700/comment-page-1#comment-114851</link>
		<dc:creator>CAISO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, BTB, for engaging Exodus about this ad and sharing the response. We and other colleagues in the Caribbean are urging gay groups in the US, instead of boycotts and blogging that makes young gay people here think the Caribbean will never get better, to put effort into stemming US export of homophobia at the point of origin. This is a welcome example of taking that leadership.

The fact that the ad was placed by our local organization Hospital Christian Fellowship, though, doesn&#039;t necessarily mean it wasn&#039;t paid for with US funds. HCF, a small group of heterosexual lay Christian women who are doctors and lawyers mainly, targets both abortion and homosexuality. They have repeatedly imported Exodus affiliate His Way Out Ministries to Trinidad &amp; Tobago to counter what in their own words is a growing acceptance of homosexuality. HWOM has aimed its message at young people (they tried to hold meetings in two high schools), appearing with politicians to legitimate themselves, and teaching local churches to change their approach to homosexuality from condemnation to a reparative one.

HWOM is also active in Guyana, where they claim to have a local base, and Jamaica where they appeared on television, at a broken sexualities conference and met with the head of state.

See our coverage of the first HWOM visit to Trinidad &amp; Tobago: http://wp.me/pzQlW-IK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, BTB, for engaging Exodus about this ad and sharing the response. We and other colleagues in the Caribbean are urging gay groups in the US, instead of boycotts and blogging that makes young gay people here think the Caribbean will never get better, to put effort into stemming US export of homophobia at the point of origin. This is a welcome example of taking that leadership.</p>
<p>The fact that the ad was placed by our local organization Hospital Christian Fellowship, though, doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean it wasn&#8217;t paid for with US funds. HCF, a small group of heterosexual lay Christian women who are doctors and lawyers mainly, targets both abortion and homosexuality. They have repeatedly imported Exodus affiliate His Way Out Ministries to Trinidad &amp; Tobago to counter what in their own words is a growing acceptance of homosexuality. HWOM has aimed its message at young people (they tried to hold meetings in two high schools), appearing with politicians to legitimate themselves, and teaching local churches to change their approach to homosexuality from condemnation to a reparative one.</p>
<p>HWOM is also active in Guyana, where they claim to have a local base, and Jamaica where they appeared on television, at a broken sexualities conference and met with the head of state.</p>
<p>See our coverage of the first HWOM visit to Trinidad &amp; Tobago: <a href="http://wp.me/pzQlW-IK" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/pzQlW-IK</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Tisinai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Tisinai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, Tim.</description>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done &amp; well-said!

@David Roberts: I agree with Muscat; I&#039;m glad exodus is trying to distance themselves from this sort of rhetoric. Of course, if they get too &quot;nice&quot; they might find themselves replaced by someone who is meaner, but there seems to be a growing awareness in the evangelical community that their outreach toward gays and lesbians has been a failure in terms of both converts &amp; general public perception. Specifically I&#039;m thinking of some of Bryan Wright&#039;s statements around the time of the last SBC convention in July where he seemed to be at least acknowledging the failures of SB policies and placing some distance between his organization and some of the more hateful rhetoric. 

Its not perfect but its Progress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done &amp; well-said!</p>
<p>@David Roberts: I agree with Muscat; I&#8217;m glad exodus is trying to distance themselves from this sort of rhetoric. Of course, if they get too &#8220;nice&#8221; they might find themselves replaced by someone who is meaner, but there seems to be a growing awareness in the evangelical community that their outreach toward gays and lesbians has been a failure in terms of both converts &amp; general public perception. Specifically I&#8217;m thinking of some of Bryan Wright&#8217;s statements around the time of the last SBC convention in July where he seemed to be at least acknowledging the failures of SB policies and placing some distance between his organization and some of the more hateful rhetoric. </p>
<p>Its not perfect but its Progress!</p>
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		<title>By: Muscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Roberts - I&#039;m not sure if this is a case of trying to catch more flies with honey than vinegar, or just using flowery language to cover over that they agree with the &quot;facts&quot; presented but don&#039;t think they should be used in this manner of public forum (at least attached to the Exodus name), or maybe some blend of both.  But even if it&#039;s only because they think it&#039;s bad publicity, I&#039;m glad Exodus doesn&#039;t want to be seen as supporting criminalization of homosexuality and is willing to take active steps to distance themselves from such a viewpoint.

@F Young - We are still talking about Exodus here.  Do you even have to ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Roberts &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure if this is a case of trying to catch more flies with honey than vinegar, or just using flowery language to cover over that they agree with the &#8220;facts&#8221; presented but don&#8217;t think they should be used in this manner of public forum (at least attached to the Exodus name), or maybe some blend of both.  But even if it&#8217;s only because they think it&#8217;s bad publicity, I&#8217;m glad Exodus doesn&#8217;t want to be seen as supporting criminalization of homosexuality and is willing to take active steps to distance themselves from such a viewpoint.</p>
<p>@F Young &#8211; We are still talking about Exodus here.  Do you even have to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: F Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>F Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The mission and ministry of Exodus International is one focused on discipleship for those pursuing Christ amidst their same-sex attractions, support and encouragement for families impacted by same-sex attraction, restoration of marriages impacted by same-sex attraction and equipping the church to serve as an authentic community to all of the above as well as to those with whom they may disagree.&quot;

So the support and encouragement is for the families of gays, but what gays get is &quot;focused on discripleship.&quot; Does that mean celibacy? 

And the restoration of marriages impacted by same-sex attraction means restoring their opposite-sex marriages, not support for the same-sex marriages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The mission and ministry of Exodus International is one focused on discipleship for those pursuing Christ amidst their same-sex attractions, support and encouragement for families impacted by same-sex attraction, restoration of marriages impacted by same-sex attraction and equipping the church to serve as an authentic community to all of the above as well as to those with whom they may disagree.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the support and encouragement is for the families of gays, but what gays get is &#8220;focused on discripleship.&#8221; Does that mean celibacy? </p>
<p>And the restoration of marriages impacted by same-sex attraction means restoring their opposite-sex marriages, not support for the same-sex marriages?</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
	
		While I believe we share the same biblical worldview with regard to sexual expression, I do not believe we share the same philosophy on how to do public outreach or an identical message for those impacted by homosexuality
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

	Just once I wish he would say categorically that they don&#039;t agree with the content, i.e. they believe it is factually wrong.&#160; Again, he&#039;s done this sort of thing before, I&#039;m not sure how this is a big deal.&#160; I&#039;m glad he did it, but didn&#039;t you have to ask him to?

	I know you are the eternal optimist on this, Timothy, just don&#039;t fall down the same hole I did.&#160; We wrote that story barely a month ago about how broke they are and to expect a re-branding effort.&#160; Does that not give you at least some reason for pause?</description>
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<p>		While I believe we share the same biblical worldview with regard to sexual expression, I do not believe we share the same philosophy on how to do public outreach or an identical message for those impacted by homosexuality
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<p>	Just once I wish he would say categorically that they don&#8217;t agree with the content, i.e. they believe it is factually wrong.&nbsp; Again, he&#8217;s done this sort of thing before, I&#8217;m not sure how this is a big deal.&nbsp; I&#8217;m glad he did it, but didn&#8217;t you have to ask him to?</p>
<p>	I know you are the eternal optimist on this, Timothy, just don&#8217;t fall down the same hole I did.&nbsp; We wrote that story barely a month ago about how broke they are and to expect a re-branding effort.&nbsp; Does that not give you at least some reason for pause?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 06:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never considered my life to be &quot;impacted&quot; by homosexuality.  The rhetoric is still ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never considered my life to be &#8220;impacted&#8221; by homosexuality.  The rhetoric is still ridiculous.</p>
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