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	<title>Comments on: Yes, hate groups have African Americans too</title>
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		<title>By: mrmstur</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrmstur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyone know why the Black community — a community you’d think would be, you know, sympathetic to the struggle for civil rights — why are they so damn anti-gay?&quot;

The answer is white slavemasters forcing their backward religious views on blacks for centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyone know why the Black community — a community you’d think would be, you know, sympathetic to the struggle for civil rights — why are they so damn anti-gay?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is white slavemasters forcing their backward religious views on blacks for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s also not forget that many of these highly conservative black churches are under the delusion that they are the sole owners of the label &quot;oppressed&quot; and own the title to the phrase &quot;civil rights&quot;.

It&#039;s clear though that none of these supposedly &quot;intelligent&quot; men recognize the herculean efforts and passion of Bayard Rustin, who just so happened to be gay, and was one of Dr. king&#039;s most trusted advisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget that many of these highly conservative black churches are under the delusion that they are the sole owners of the label &#8220;oppressed&#8221; and own the title to the phrase &#8220;civil rights&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear though that none of these supposedly &#8220;intelligent&#8221; men recognize the herculean efforts and passion of Bayard Rustin, who just so happened to be gay, and was one of Dr. king&#8217;s most trusted advisers.</p>
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		<title>By: F Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>F Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EOJinDC
&quot;I hear about Black men being ashamed of being gay and living on the “DL.” In the mainstream LGBT community, it’s called the “closet.” Even if being on the DL were as widespread as some might think, why should it be treated any differently? A closet by any other name is still a closet.&quot;

I agree that a closet by another name is still a closet, but &quot;down low&quot; is not a racist term used by white LGBT&#039;s to disparage African American closeted gays, as you appear to suggest. 

It was invented by African Americans themselves to describe African Americans in opposite-sex relationships who have sex with men (usually) on the side, but who nevertheless consider that they are not gay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down-low_(sexual_slang)

I don&#039;t see anything wrong with white LGBT&#039;s using the same term that African-Americans use to describe themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EOJinDC<br />
&#8220;I hear about Black men being ashamed of being gay and living on the “DL.” In the mainstream LGBT community, it’s called the “closet.” Even if being on the DL were as widespread as some might think, why should it be treated any differently? A closet by any other name is still a closet.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that a closet by another name is still a closet, but &#8220;down low&#8221; is not a racist term used by white LGBT&#8217;s to disparage African American closeted gays, as you appear to suggest. </p>
<p>It was invented by African Americans themselves to describe African Americans in opposite-sex relationships who have sex with men (usually) on the side, but who nevertheless consider that they are not gay.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down-low_(sexual_slang)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down-low_(sexual_slang)</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with white LGBT&#8217;s using the same term that African-Americans use to describe themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ebohlman,

Thanks for the correction. Good point. 

WMDKitty,

The black community is not &quot;for the most part&quot; homophobic. It is, numerically, less supportive than other races. 

But numbers dont tell the whole story. And in this instance we are talking about two black communities -one very religious and a bit segregated, and one that is more assimilated and secular. 

Just as the white San Francisco cellist and the white Iowa corn farmer are not defined by their race on the issue of homosexuality, so too are the black dance instructor and the black COGIC pastor not defined by their race. 

And I am not convinced that african Americans are in the same place they were three years ago. I&#039;ve seen significant change. 

It may still be true that taking black people as one demographic and making comparison solely on race, that you might still find less support. But let&#039;s look from this perspective:  attitudes in the black community today are no worse than attitudes of Whites ten years ago. And I don&#039;t recall anyone saying &quot;why are white people so homophobic?&quot; at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ebohlman,</p>
<p>Thanks for the correction. Good point. </p>
<p>WMDKitty,</p>
<p>The black community is not &#8220;for the most part&#8221; homophobic. It is, numerically, less supportive than other races. </p>
<p>But numbers dont tell the whole story. And in this instance we are talking about two black communities -one very religious and a bit segregated, and one that is more assimilated and secular. </p>
<p>Just as the white San Francisco cellist and the white Iowa corn farmer are not defined by their race on the issue of homosexuality, so too are the black dance instructor and the black COGIC pastor not defined by their race. </p>
<p>And I am not convinced that african Americans are in the same place they were three years ago. I&#8217;ve seen significant change. </p>
<p>It may still be true that taking black people as one demographic and making comparison solely on race, that you might still find less support. But let&#8217;s look from this perspective:  attitudes in the black community today are no worse than attitudes of Whites ten years ago. And I don&#8217;t recall anyone saying &#8220;why are white people so homophobic?&#8221; at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: WMDKitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>WMDKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EOJinDC -- Dude, whatever. The truth is that the black community, for the most part, is virulently homophobic, and it shows. Too bad you&#039;re in denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EOJinDC &#8212; Dude, whatever. The truth is that the black community, for the most part, is virulently homophobic, and it shows. Too bad you&#8217;re in denial.</p>
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		<title>By: ebohlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebohlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that the SPLC has long designated several black separatist groups as hate groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that the SPLC has long designated several black separatist groups as hate groups.</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s misunderstanding the purpose of a buttplug.</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EOJ

You raise good questions. But unfortunately there may not be good answers. 

I hope that at BTB that we don&#039;t give the impression that black bigots and white bigots are somehow different. And we  try not to buy in too heavily to the DL theme. But we are white guys and I&#039;m sure that impacts the way we write. As much as I may become infuriated by the casual racism that i see, I&#039;ve never lived it. 

But in this particular commentary, race is relevant. In fact race was the whole point of the protest. Those COGIC ministers would not have been invited if they had skin with different levels of melanin. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EOJ</p>
<p>You raise good questions. But unfortunately there may not be good answers. </p>
<p>I hope that at BTB that we don&#8217;t give the impression that black bigots and white bigots are somehow different. And we  try not to buy in too heavily to the DL theme. But we are white guys and I&#8217;m sure that impacts the way we write. As much as I may become infuriated by the casual racism that i see, I&#8217;ve never lived it. </p>
<p>But in this particular commentary, race is relevant. In fact race was the whole point of the protest. Those COGIC ministers would not have been invited if they had skin with different levels of melanin. </p>
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		<title>By: Reed Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For a year now I’ve been intending to address hate and love from the perspective of Christian theology, what qualifies as each, where boundaries lie and the difficulty of being human while aspiring to spiritual goals. Frankly, I’ve put it off because to do it justice is a daunting task, but I really do think it may be time to attack the job.&quot;

I agree.  Actually, I think you&#039;re up to the job, which is akin to eating a whale:  one bite at a time (i.e., a series).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For a year now I’ve been intending to address hate and love from the perspective of Christian theology, what qualifies as each, where boundaries lie and the difficulty of being human while aspiring to spiritual goals. Frankly, I’ve put it off because to do it justice is a daunting task, but I really do think it may be time to attack the job.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  Actually, I think you&#8217;re up to the job, which is akin to eating a whale:  one bite at a time (i.e., a series).</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His comments do remind me of another pastor, somewhere, who talked about eating da poo-poo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His comments do remind me of another pastor, somewhere, who talked about eating da poo-poo&#8230;</p>
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