Comments on: Veto-proof support for marriage in New Jersey? http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/19/41134 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:11:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Blake http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/19/41134/comment-page-1#comment-115527 Blake Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:47:10 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=41134#comment-115527 "It would take a cataclysmic event and subsequent social upheaval to upset the certainty of the ultimate outcome." Ah, my constant nightmare. The more I look into it the more convinced I become that we dodged a bullet in '08. If the Great Recession had been a little deeper... And now, when it appears we're on the edge of coming out of the doldrums, if something pushes us back... “It would take a cataclysmic event and subsequent social upheaval to upset the certainty of the ultimate outcome.”

Ah, my constant nightmare. The more I look into it the more convinced I become that we dodged a bullet in ’08. If the Great Recession had been a little deeper…

And now, when it appears we’re on the edge of coming out of the doldrums, if something pushes us back…

]]> By: Richard Rush http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/19/41134/comment-page-1#comment-115424 Richard Rush Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:24:35 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=41134#comment-115424 I've lived through the social <i>climate change*</i> for gay people since the summer of Stonewall in 1969. Only those who are now woefully detached from reality can possibly believe they can steer things in a different direction. It would take a cataclysmic event and subsequent social upheaval to upset the certainty of the ultimate outcome. And accepting the inevitable will also include recognition that what benefits gays also benefits families and all of society. Eventually, history will record which politicians chose the right side for their legacy, and which ones chose the wrong side as bigoted dead-enders - whether in pursuit of short term votes, or "on principle." It would be interesting to talk one more time to those who vehemently resisted the abolition movement, and ask if they would like to change their legacy. ------------ *As a general trait, our adversaries seem inclined to deny all sorts of climate change. I’ve lived through the social climate change* for gay people since the summer of Stonewall in 1969. Only those who are now woefully detached from reality can possibly believe they can steer things in a different direction. It would take a cataclysmic event and subsequent social upheaval to upset the certainty of the ultimate outcome. And accepting the inevitable will also include recognition that what benefits gays also benefits families and all of society.

Eventually, history will record which politicians chose the right side for their legacy, and which ones chose the wrong side as bigoted dead-enders – whether in pursuit of short term votes, or “on principle.”

It would be interesting to talk one more time to those who vehemently resisted the abolition movement, and ask if they would like to change their legacy.
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*As a general trait, our adversaries seem inclined to deny all sorts of climate change.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/19/41134/comment-page-1#comment-115410 Hunter Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:08:24 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=41134#comment-115410 That is such a crock. The New Jersey Supreme Court, as I recall, said the state had to offer equality. They tried civil unions and everyone agreed that was a big flop. What is Christie going to do, veto the bill and then fight another lawsuit? Because if someone doesn't sue, they've got their heads on backwards. That is such a crock. The New Jersey Supreme Court, as I recall, said the state had to offer equality. They tried civil unions and everyone agreed that was a big flop. What is Christie going to do, veto the bill and then fight another lawsuit? Because if someone doesn’t sue, they’ve got their heads on backwards.

]]> By: Ben In Oakland http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/19/41134/comment-page-1#comment-115405 Ben In Oakland Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:54:34 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=41134#comment-115405 Dear Mr. Christie-- Nothing is getting overturned­ here, except the centuries of antigay prejudice that decrees that gay people must, as a matter of law, faith, and society, be treated differentl­y that heterosexu­al people. Dear Mr. Christie–

Nothing is getting overturned­ here, except the centuries of antigay prejudice that decrees that gay people must, as a matter of law, faith, and society, be treated differentl­y that heterosexu­al people.

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