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	<title>Comments on: Exodus International Drops &#8220;Reparative Therapy&#8221; Books</title>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, Priya Lynn: the issue of siblings in the same household not being gay is the biggest hole in their template on the &#039;causes&#039;.

   True also of the demographic of single motherhood, highest among black women. And of course, military families where long absences of the father are significant.

   It&#039;s been stated that women are less relevant to the cause of anti gay rhetoric. Because women have less social (and physical) power than men. In other words, they don&#039;t pose the same threat to men, as other men do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, Priya Lynn: the issue of siblings in the same household not being gay is the biggest hole in their template on the &#8217;causes&#8217;.</p>
<p>   True also of the demographic of single motherhood, highest among black women. And of course, military families where long absences of the father are significant.</p>
<p>   It&#8217;s been stated that women are less relevant to the cause of anti gay rhetoric. Because women have less social (and physical) power than men. In other words, they don&#8217;t pose the same threat to men, as other men do.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially interesting for me, as a service brat, is the notion that an &quot;absent father&quot; leads to a boy being gay.

If so (and I don&#039;t believe it for a minute), then one could reasonably argue that our protracted wars, police actions, and adventures in nation-building are all going to cause an ENORMOUS explosion in the numbers of &quot;the gheys&quot; in coming years. 

And yes, I&#039;m aware of the deeply sexist aspect of this line of reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially interesting for me, as a service brat, is the notion that an &#8220;absent father&#8221; leads to a boy being gay.</p>
<p>If so (and I don&#8217;t believe it for a minute), then one could reasonably argue that our protracted wars, police actions, and adventures in nation-building are all going to cause an ENORMOUS explosion in the numbers of &#8220;the gheys&#8221; in coming years. </p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;m aware of the deeply sexist aspect of this line of reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Charles, there are lots of people who heap scorn on lesbians as well, but on the whole there are a lot less people who feel strongly anti-lesbian than there are people who feel strongly anti-gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Charles, there are lots of people who heap scorn on lesbians as well, but on the whole there are a lot less people who feel strongly anti-lesbian than there are people who feel strongly anti-gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because most anti-gay people find anal sex disgusting and men in general sexually disgusting. The thought of two women together isn’t unpleasant to them.&quot; - Priya Lynn

I understand that aspect of the equation, but I have read and heard invective spewed from numerous people about lesbians, too.  The great fear of parents is that they might end up having a gay son.  Parents know that a gay son will have a much harder time in our society than any straight son. And, most women and men seem to give lesbians a pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because most anti-gay people find anal sex disgusting and men in general sexually disgusting. The thought of two women together isn’t unpleasant to them.&#8221; &#8211; Priya Lynn</p>
<p>I understand that aspect of the equation, but I have read and heard invective spewed from numerous people about lesbians, too.  The great fear of parents is that they might end up having a gay son.  Parents know that a gay son will have a much harder time in our society than any straight son. And, most women and men seem to give lesbians a pass.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LDS&#039;s &lt;b&gt;Evergreen&lt;/b&gt; is going to be years behind Exodus in progressive ideology.  Mostly because of the close association of high-ranking Mormons with NARTH.  

Sad.  I just wish some investigative journalist would expose Evergreen.  And I would wish someone would come forward and sue Brigham Young University for its role in the disastrous electro-shock aversion therapy...which was not that long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LDS&#8217;s <b>Evergreen</b> is going to be years behind Exodus in progressive ideology.  Mostly because of the close association of high-ranking Mormons with NARTH.  </p>
<p>Sad.  I just wish some investigative journalist would expose Evergreen.  And I would wish someone would come forward and sue Brigham Young University for its role in the disastrous electro-shock aversion therapy&#8230;which was not that long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Fergie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fergie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“All these reparative groups seem not the least bit concerned about what causes a female to become a lesbian, can someone tell me why?&quot;

I would suggest that the Latter Day Saints (big time supporters, promoters, and consumers of questionable RT programs)largely ignore women because only LDS Males can hold the Priesthood and all of its paternal hierarchical authority. 

Women are basically an after thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“All these reparative groups seem not the least bit concerned about what causes a female to become a lesbian, can someone tell me why?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would suggest that the Latter Day Saints (big time supporters, promoters, and consumers of questionable RT programs)largely ignore women because only LDS Males can hold the Priesthood and all of its paternal hierarchical authority. </p>
<p>Women are basically an after thought.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and Priya Lynn, I think you are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Priya Lynn, I think you are right.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Longitudinal Lesbians Study (children conceived via a sperm donor) of children with 2 mothers shows that 100% of their boys are heterosexual. How can that be? If lack of bonding with your father results in male homosexuality, then why are all these boys with no biological father in the home to bond to, heterosexual? It doesn&#039;t make sense. 

Jim Hlavac = &quot;it’s rather clear that they use the wrong term; perhaps “re-heteroized” is better for their plan.&quot;

StraightGrandmother = “re-heteroized” LOL! Too funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Longitudinal Lesbians Study (children conceived via a sperm donor) of children with 2 mothers shows that 100% of their boys are heterosexual. How can that be? If lack of bonding with your father results in male homosexuality, then why are all these boys with no biological father in the home to bond to, heterosexual? It doesn&#8217;t make sense. </p>
<p>Jim Hlavac = &#8220;it’s rather clear that they use the wrong term; perhaps “re-heteroized” is better for their plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>StraightGrandmother = “re-heteroized” LOL! Too funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles asked &quot;All these reparative groups seem not the least bit concerned about what causes a female to become a lesbian, can someone tell me why?&quot;.

Because most anti-gay people find anal sex disgusting and men in general sexually disgusting.  The thought of two women together isn&#039;t unpleasant to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles asked &#8220;All these reparative groups seem not the least bit concerned about what causes a female to become a lesbian, can someone tell me why?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Because most anti-gay people find anal sex disgusting and men in general sexually disgusting.  The thought of two women together isn&#8217;t unpleasant to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Hlavac&#039;s comment made me think about another big hole in the theory that fathering style causes gayness.  While it wouldn&#039;t be unusual for a father to treat one son differently than the rest its much more common that a father treats all sons the same and if fathering style were a cause of gayness we should see with regularity families in which all sons are gays.  We practically never see this however, it&#039;s almost always one son out of 2 or 3 or 4 that is gay instead of all 4.  This wouldn&#039;t be the case if fathering was a significant cause of gayness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Hlavac&#8217;s comment made me think about another big hole in the theory that fathering style causes gayness.  While it wouldn&#8217;t be unusual for a father to treat one son differently than the rest its much more common that a father treats all sons the same and if fathering style were a cause of gayness we should see with regularity families in which all sons are gays.  We practically never see this however, it&#8217;s almost always one son out of 2 or 3 or 4 that is gay instead of all 4.  This wouldn&#8217;t be the case if fathering was a significant cause of gayness.</p>
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