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	<title>Comments on: CPAC &#8211; anti-gays win the day, lose the war</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just candidates that should be asked to justify their support of CPAC. I&#039;m still confused and angry that Google is a CPAC sponsor. Google has long been an ally to our community. Just a few weeks ago they supported the gay marriage bill in Washington state. Why on earth are they supporting CPAC? And why isn&#039;t there more outrage about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just candidates that should be asked to justify their support of CPAC. I&#8217;m still confused and angry that Google is a CPAC sponsor. Google has long been an ally to our community. Just a few weeks ago they supported the gay marriage bill in Washington state. Why on earth are they supporting CPAC? And why isn&#8217;t there more outrage about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/13/41947/comment-page-1#comment-117391</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The important thing to note is that this is not a matter of disputed beliefs – though there was the generic “they support the homosexual agenda” babbling. The objection was specific: GOProud is a gay organization and their views or policies were irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I never saw them actually admit that GOProud was banned because it was gay.  They either didn&#039;t choose to say why it was banned, or they pushed some version of the &quot;homosexual agenda&quot; claim.  CPAC and the supporters of its ban of GOProud were never honest about it.

That&#039;s a quibble.  But really, you&#039;re right in everything you say in the article, including that GOProud &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; banned because it was a gay group.  And especially that GOProud&#039;s value is in pointing up the extreme homophobia in the conservative movement.

I do think they and gaypatriot.net have an additional virtue as well.  They let us know the state of mind of gay &quot;Fox News conservatives&quot;.  It&#039;s good to keep an eye on people like that.

By the way, Timothy, your article is way too good to remain in its current, poorly edited state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The important thing to note is that this is not a matter of disputed beliefs – though there was the generic “they support the homosexual agenda” babbling. The objection was specific: GOProud is a gay organization and their views or policies were irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<p>I never saw them actually admit that GOProud was banned because it was gay.  They either didn&#8217;t choose to say why it was banned, or they pushed some version of the &#8220;homosexual agenda&#8221; claim.  CPAC and the supporters of its ban of GOProud were never honest about it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a quibble.  But really, you&#8217;re right in everything you say in the article, including that GOProud <b>was</b> banned because it was a gay group.  And especially that GOProud&#8217;s value is in pointing up the extreme homophobia in the conservative movement.</p>
<p>I do think they and gaypatriot.net have an additional virtue as well.  They let us know the state of mind of gay &#8220;Fox News conservatives&#8221;.  It&#8217;s good to keep an eye on people like that.</p>
<p>By the way, Timothy, your article is way too good to remain in its current, poorly edited state.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is, to my knowledge, no such thing as a mainstream media &quot;reporter&quot; anymore.  Just bobbing heads that never ask a single interesting question to call out candidates who are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is, to my knowledge, no such thing as a mainstream media &#8220;reporter&#8221; anymore.  Just bobbing heads that never ask a single interesting question to call out candidates who are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If GOProud isn’t comprised of the kind of homosexual of which they can approve, none exist.&quot;

I suspect that CPAC would be OK with, say, Eve Tushnet co-moderating a panel.  

Furthermore, I suspect that when a lot of socially conservative Republicans and conservatives invoke unnamed gay friends who share their values, they&#039;re talking about gay people who have chosen to live a life of celibacy.

I do think there are probably not a very large number of such people, and those that do make such a decision probably tend to be people who don&#039;t want a lot of attention drawn to them.

Please don&#039;t misunderstand this comment as an endorsement of the CPAC folks or their attitudes or their decisions. I just wanted to mention that I&#039;m guessing this is what&#039;s going on -- the Heritage Foundations of the world have in mind a kind of gay person (and I do think Eve Tushnet, for instance, counts as &quot;gay&quot;) that is a) almost completely culturally invisible and b) is not really what gay livin&#039; gay blog readin&#039; gay folks tend to think of when they think of &quot;gay conservative.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If GOProud isn’t comprised of the kind of homosexual of which they can approve, none exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that CPAC would be OK with, say, Eve Tushnet co-moderating a panel.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, I suspect that when a lot of socially conservative Republicans and conservatives invoke unnamed gay friends who share their values, they&#8217;re talking about gay people who have chosen to live a life of celibacy.</p>
<p>I do think there are probably not a very large number of such people, and those that do make such a decision probably tend to be people who don&#8217;t want a lot of attention drawn to them.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t misunderstand this comment as an endorsement of the CPAC folks or their attitudes or their decisions. I just wanted to mention that I&#8217;m guessing this is what&#8217;s going on &#8212; the Heritage Foundations of the world have in mind a kind of gay person (and I do think Eve Tushnet, for instance, counts as &#8220;gay&#8221;) that is a) almost completely culturally invisible and b) is not really what gay livin&#8217; gay blog readin&#8217; gay folks tend to think of when they think of &#8220;gay conservative.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Signorile equipped to conduct an accurate poll when he&#039;s obviously a progressive, and his rhetoric elicits violent hissing from any CPAC type conservative?

CPAC isn&#039;t even geared toward fiscal conservatives -- it&#039;s the loony bin of fringe conservatives akin to how the Gay Liberation Network is not really a gay rights group but rather carrying the mask of being one to push another agenda.

The problem with conservatives is that a vocal minority is running the PR campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Signorile equipped to conduct an accurate poll when he&#8217;s obviously a progressive, and his rhetoric elicits violent hissing from any CPAC type conservative?</p>
<p>CPAC isn&#8217;t even geared toward fiscal conservatives &#8212; it&#8217;s the loony bin of fringe conservatives akin to how the Gay Liberation Network is not really a gay rights group but rather carrying the mask of being one to push another agenda.</p>
<p>The problem with conservatives is that a vocal minority is running the PR campaign.</p>
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