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	<title>Comments on: AZ Sheriff, Ex-Boyfriend Appear On CNN</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of course, Babeu’s career as a “celebrity gay” is just beginning. Is that a book deal I see on the horizon?&quot; jpeckjr

I don&#039;t know about any kind of book deal, but my guess that his political career is certainly in jeopardy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, Babeu’s career as a “celebrity gay” is just beginning. Is that a book deal I see on the horizon?&#8221; jpeckjr</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about any kind of book deal, but my guess that his political career is certainly in jeopardy.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Jose filed a civil lawsuit asking for some kind of damages against Sheriff Paul?  If not (and I have heard nothing about such a lawsuit), then the only two reasons this private matter has become public are (1) mean-spirited personal vengence from a jilted lover or (2) mean-spirited politics from a political opponent.  

Speculation:  has someone paid Jose to make these allegations with the primary goal of exposing Babeu&#039;s sexual orientation, thus making it much, much more difficult for him to continue his political career?

Of course, Babeu&#039;s career as a &quot;celebrity gay&quot; is just beginning.  Is that a book deal I see on the horizon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Jose filed a civil lawsuit asking for some kind of damages against Sheriff Paul?  If not (and I have heard nothing about such a lawsuit), then the only two reasons this private matter has become public are (1) mean-spirited personal vengence from a jilted lover or (2) mean-spirited politics from a political opponent.  </p>
<p>Speculation:  has someone paid Jose to make these allegations with the primary goal of exposing Babeu&#8217;s sexual orientation, thus making it much, much more difficult for him to continue his political career?</p>
<p>Of course, Babeu&#8217;s career as a &#8220;celebrity gay&#8221; is just beginning.  Is that a book deal I see on the horizon?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/20/42215/comment-page-1#comment-117947</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babeu &quot;cheated&quot;? At what,Scrabble? Checkers? What kind of insider information do you shrill voices have about the kind of relationship these two had? Probably none, but that is not going to stop many people from reacting emotionally with very little information, grabbing their pitchforks and torches and screaming for blood.Basically this is still just a &quot;he said/he said&quot; story with a LOT of reporters adding their own dramatic spin. Right wing, conservative republicans are not the only sheeple out there folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babeu &#8220;cheated&#8221;? At what,Scrabble? Checkers? What kind of insider information do you shrill voices have about the kind of relationship these two had? Probably none, but that is not going to stop many people from reacting emotionally with very little information, grabbing their pitchforks and torches and screaming for blood.Basically this is still just a &#8220;he said/he said&#8221; story with a LOT of reporters adding their own dramatic spin. Right wing, conservative republicans are not the only sheeple out there folks.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here are the facts Babeu: 1: Yes the government needs to be involved in the protection of property of loved ones because who&#039;s going to do it the kkk? 2: the federal government has in place a law preventing my husband and I from marrying anywhere despite what the states laws are individually, it&#039;s called DOMA, repeal that and we&#039;ll talk about how the government shouldn&#039;t get involved. and finally 3: Saying the government shouldn&#039;t be involved in people&#039;s lives while str8 people are allowed to marry and divorce on a whim is a cop-out excuse the pun. The government is supposed to protect the tax paying citizen, last time i checked that&#039;s me the middle class and the unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here are the facts Babeu: 1: Yes the government needs to be involved in the protection of property of loved ones because who&#8217;s going to do it the kkk? 2: the federal government has in place a law preventing my husband and I from marrying anywhere despite what the states laws are individually, it&#8217;s called DOMA, repeal that and we&#8217;ll talk about how the government shouldn&#8217;t get involved. and finally 3: Saying the government shouldn&#8217;t be involved in people&#8217;s lives while str8 people are allowed to marry and divorce on a whim is a cop-out excuse the pun. The government is supposed to protect the tax paying citizen, last time i checked that&#8217;s me the middle class and the unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that makes me skeptical of Babeu is his bizarre disconnect from the world in which he has immersed himself. On what planet does he think that it&#039;s just hunky dory to be a GOP operative, spokesman and elected official AND gay?  

There is something off about him, and without putting Jose on a pedestal, I would say its power.  Only someone who is either incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant would be using the &quot;it&#039;s my private life&quot; line while thinking he has any chance of a future within that ideological sphere.

Who knows what really happened, but I see little doubt over who had the control in that relationship.  I also find it very odd that a professional media company would not have changed the passwords after receiving those accounts from another individual -- that&#039;s SOP. Again, maybe they are just sloppy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that makes me skeptical of Babeu is his bizarre disconnect from the world in which he has immersed himself. On what planet does he think that it&#8217;s just hunky dory to be a GOP operative, spokesman and elected official AND gay?  </p>
<p>There is something off about him, and without putting Jose on a pedestal, I would say its power.  Only someone who is either incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant would be using the &#8220;it&#8217;s my private life&#8221; line while thinking he has any chance of a future within that ideological sphere.</p>
<p>Who knows what really happened, but I see little doubt over who had the control in that relationship.  I also find it very odd that a professional media company would not have changed the passwords after receiving those accounts from another individual &#8212; that&#8217;s SOP. Again, maybe they are just sloppy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it&#039;s obvious Jose is no saint. Jose is also not running for political office or holding any considerable position of power and authority, unlike Babeau.

Whether Jose is petty is besides the point. Jim already linked to the documents and text/site profile exchanges, which Babeau admitted to.

Babeau cheated, and vengeful ex played dirty. Can&#039;t say I will shed tears for the man pushing for Romney and &quot;states should decide whether not trampling on the dignity and humanity of gay people is allowed.&quot;

This was a man who pushed for Romney, the guy that has repeatedly sold Babeau&#039;s community out for the likes of NOM. The guy who promoted John &quot;Vehemently stonewall DADT repeal&quot; McCain and Sarah &quot;no domestic partner benefits and ex-gay church services&quot; Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;s obvious Jose is no saint. Jose is also not running for political office or holding any considerable position of power and authority, unlike Babeau.</p>
<p>Whether Jose is petty is besides the point. Jim already linked to the documents and text/site profile exchanges, which Babeau admitted to.</p>
<p>Babeau cheated, and vengeful ex played dirty. Can&#8217;t say I will shed tears for the man pushing for Romney and &#8220;states should decide whether not trampling on the dignity and humanity of gay people is allowed.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was a man who pushed for Romney, the guy that has repeatedly sold Babeau&#8217;s community out for the likes of NOM. The guy who promoted John &#8220;Vehemently stonewall DADT repeal&#8221; McCain and Sarah &#8220;no domestic partner benefits and ex-gay church services&#8221; Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulR</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing good in this situation from a relationship standpoint.

If Babeu threatened Jose as claimed, then he was probably engaged in intimidation. But I have questions about Jose, and I&#039;m not 100% sure about him as a jilted (obsessive) lover.

And Jose may lose his 10-year tourist visa status. He insists that it&#039;s legal to be running a business in the US on a tourist (not worker) visa...really??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing good in this situation from a relationship standpoint.</p>
<p>If Babeu threatened Jose as claimed, then he was probably engaged in intimidation. But I have questions about Jose, and I&#8217;m not 100% sure about him as a jilted (obsessive) lover.</p>
<p>And Jose may lose his 10-year tourist visa status. He insists that it&#8217;s legal to be running a business in the US on a tourist (not worker) visa&#8230;really??</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Timothy, I had exactly the same feeling about this. Drama, and lots of it. My personal belief isthat grown ups don&#039;t air this kind of scheiss on national news. Even one year after the fact is pushing the statute of limitations.None of these people seemed any better Than they should be, or that I would expect them to be.

I find Babeu&#039;s position on mqarriage frankly repellant. I realize tHat there is no official gay party line, but nonetheless, it appears to be the smallest bit of principle wrapped in a veritable. Shroud of panderation. Does he not understand that the question is more and more one of yes or no, not hem or haw?

Does he truly believe his backers are the sort of people to overlook public homosexual conduct because he is an auntie Tom and is as riled up about aliens, illega or no, as they are?

Personally, I&#039;d have no problem with the idea, provided tHat the Federal government must recognize my marriage, and though no state would be required to permit marriage equality in its borders, they must recognize a valid marriage performed elsewhere.

But that isnt what Babeu and his cohorts are after.

and of course, it may just mean that he understands after this kind of public exposure ones own marriage prospects might be dimming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Timothy, I had exactly the same feeling about this. Drama, and lots of it. My personal belief isthat grown ups don&#8217;t air this kind of scheiss on national news. Even one year after the fact is pushing the statute of limitations.None of these people seemed any better Than they should be, or that I would expect them to be.</p>
<p>I find Babeu&#8217;s position on mqarriage frankly repellant. I realize tHat there is no official gay party line, but nonetheless, it appears to be the smallest bit of principle wrapped in a veritable. Shroud of panderation. Does he not understand that the question is more and more one of yes or no, not hem or haw?</p>
<p>Does he truly believe his backers are the sort of people to overlook public homosexual conduct because he is an auntie Tom and is as riled up about aliens, illega or no, as they are?</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d have no problem with the idea, provided tHat the Federal government must recognize my marriage, and though no state would be required to permit marriage equality in its borders, they must recognize a valid marriage performed elsewhere.</p>
<p>But that isnt what Babeu and his cohorts are after.</p>
<p>and of course, it may just mean that he understands after this kind of public exposure ones own marriage prospects might be dimming.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh good heavens.  Jose &quot;finds himself in the middle of presidential politics&quot; because three years after a break up he went to a newspaper and spoke with a reporter who was happy to play up homophobia if it also benefited illegal immigrants.  Pardon me if my sympathy for the anonymous martyr just went to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh good heavens.  Jose &#8220;finds himself in the middle of presidential politics&#8221; because three years after a break up he went to a newspaper and spoke with a reporter who was happy to play up homophobia if it also benefited illegal immigrants.  Pardon me if my sympathy for the anonymous martyr just went to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucrece, 

one caution: we only have heard from &quot;Jose&quot; about that relationship.  We don&#039;t know it&#039;s boundaries, terms, or agreements so &quot;cheating&quot; may or may not be the right term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucrece, </p>
<p>one caution: we only have heard from &#8220;Jose&#8221; about that relationship.  We don&#8217;t know it&#8217;s boundaries, terms, or agreements so &#8220;cheating&#8221; may or may not be the right term.</p>
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