Comments on: The unique voter options in Erie http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/27/42451 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Fri, 24 May 2013 16:40:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: TN http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/27/42451/comment-page-1#comment-118585 TN Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:48:18 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=42451#comment-118585 I wish you would do more general "gay" news stories. I really want to ditch those other horrible blogs and just come here. But you do more in-depth, special stories. I wish you would do more general “gay” news stories. I really want to ditch those other horrible blogs and just come here. But you do more in-depth, special stories.

]]> By: Ben Mathis http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/27/42451/comment-page-1#comment-118578 Ben Mathis Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:58:21 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=42451#comment-118578 Yes, now that attractive wealthy white gay men have representation, we can vote again for the racist, sexist, xenophobic, fuck-the-poor party once again. Hoorah /sarcasm Yes, now that attractive wealthy white gay men have representation, we can vote again for the racist, sexist, xenophobic, fuck-the-poor party once again. Hoorah /sarcasm

]]> By: Theo http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/27/42451/comment-page-1#comment-118551 Theo Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:00:50 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=42451#comment-118551 We absolutely have to support Grisanti, no matter who the Dem candidate is. Even if the Dem candidate is pro-equality, we have to support Grisanti. Why? Because NOM's goal in defeating Grisanti and the other 3 senators is to terrorize GOP legislators in all the other states that may vote on this issue in the future. That may mean NH, IA, NV, DE, RI and IL to name a few. Even if Grisanti ran against a pro-gay Dem and lost, NOM would spin it as evidence that the Republican base lost its enthusiasm, stayed home, and turned its back on a GOP incumbent who voted for gay marriage. NOM would be perfectly happy to see that result, since it wouldn't really change anything in NY (where marriage is a done deal) but would chill Republican legislators in many other states. The way to thwart NOM from realizing this goal is to re-elect all 4 pro-equality GOP senators. Just this once. After 2012, their fate in any election will not be linkable to same-sex marriage and we won't have to care. But in 2012, it is important that all 4 win. Fortunately, as of right now, it does not appear that 3 of the 4 have any serious challengers. So right now it is really just Grisanti that we should be pulling for. We absolutely have to support Grisanti, no matter who the Dem candidate is. Even if the Dem candidate is pro-equality, we have to support Grisanti.

Why? Because NOM’s goal in defeating Grisanti and the other 3 senators is to terrorize GOP legislators in all the other states that may vote on this issue in the future. That may mean NH, IA, NV, DE, RI and IL to name a few. Even if Grisanti ran against a pro-gay Dem and lost, NOM would spin it as evidence that the Republican base lost its enthusiasm, stayed home, and turned its back on a GOP incumbent who voted for gay marriage. NOM would be perfectly happy to see that result, since it wouldn’t really change anything in NY (where marriage is a done deal) but would chill Republican legislators in many other states.

The way to thwart NOM from realizing this goal is to re-elect all 4 pro-equality GOP senators. Just this once. After 2012, their fate in any election will not be linkable to same-sex marriage and we won’t have to care. But in 2012, it is important that all 4 win.

Fortunately, as of right now, it does not appear that 3 of the 4 have any serious challengers. So right now it is really just Grisanti that we should be pulling for.

]]> By: PJB863 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/27/42451/comment-page-1#comment-118545 PJB863 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:56:25 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=42451#comment-118545 We had that situation here in IL in, I believe, 1998. The Democratic candidate for governor, Glen Poshard, had an anti-gay voting record and was against a non-discrimination law. The Republican candidate was in favor, and ultimately signed an anti-discrimination bill into law. Unfortunately, that Republican, who the LGBT community turned out for, was George Ryan, who now sits in a federal prison for corruption, but this IS Illinois after all, Ryan's successor was Rod Blagojevich! We had that situation here in IL in, I believe, 1998. The Democratic candidate for governor, Glen Poshard, had an anti-gay voting record and was against a non-discrimination law. The Republican candidate was in favor, and ultimately signed an anti-discrimination bill into law. Unfortunately, that Republican, who the LGBT community turned out for, was George Ryan, who now sits in a federal prison for corruption, but this IS Illinois after all, Ryan’s successor was Rod Blagojevich!

]]> By: andrew http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/02/27/42451/comment-page-1#comment-118515 andrew Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:49:20 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=42451#comment-118515 buckle up. as gay issues leave the table, Democrats are going to have to scramble to make sure their message remains relevant to LGBT folk. And the GOP may be astonished to find strong support from many in a community unshackled from the need to line up with the opposition to protect their community. Ah, what do you do with single-issue voters when the single-issue comes off the table ? (note: yes, I know many in the LGBTQ community and friends do not vote monolithically, but from a personal perspective, I find my choices constrained not by the individual candidate, but by who has the majority in the legislature, and I don't like it) buckle up. as gay issues leave the table, Democrats are going to have to scramble to make sure their message remains relevant to LGBT folk.

And the GOP may be astonished to find strong support from many in a community unshackled from the need to line up with the opposition to protect their community.

Ah, what do you do with single-issue voters when the single-issue comes off the table ?

(note: yes, I know many in the LGBTQ community and friends do not vote monolithically, but from a personal perspective, I find my choices constrained not by the individual candidate, but by who has the majority in the legislature, and I don’t like it)

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