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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/17/42941/comment-page-1#comment-119794</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GetEqual questions the suitability of some to advocate for gay rights.

GOProud fully endorses anti-gay advocates.

That&#039;s the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GetEqual questions the suitability of some to advocate for gay rights.</p>
<p>GOProud fully endorses anti-gay advocates.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/17/42941/comment-page-1#comment-119789</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I also was disgusted with HRC for dropping transgender people from their ENDA advocacy. &lt;/i&gt;

This and their willingness to give the administration a pass when they looked they were backing out on the DADT promise (I will always remember the whole &quot;Thy got it covered&quot; comment without explanation, after a very short meeting) are the main reasons why i do not support them anymore and look at them with suspicion.

For a long time, all I have seen is high ranking gays jumping from HRC to high ranking administration jobs (case in point, the outgoing ED taking a job with the Obama administration). This has led me to believe (as I already said) they have just become a holding pot for gays-in-waiting and not an advocacy agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I also was disgusted with HRC for dropping transgender people from their ENDA advocacy. </i></p>
<p>This and their willingness to give the administration a pass when they looked they were backing out on the DADT promise (I will always remember the whole &#8220;Thy got it covered&#8221; comment without explanation, after a very short meeting) are the main reasons why i do not support them anymore and look at them with suspicion.</p>
<p>For a long time, all I have seen is high ranking gays jumping from HRC to high ranking administration jobs (case in point, the outgoing ED taking a job with the Obama administration). This has led me to believe (as I already said) they have just become a holding pot for gays-in-waiting and not an advocacy agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also was disgusted with HRC for dropping transgender people from their ENDA advocacy.  It makes me wonder if they&#039;re another of those organizations that&#039;s T and B because it would be politically impossible for them to be an LG organization only -- like the Log Cabin Republicans explicitly are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also was disgusted with HRC for dropping transgender people from their ENDA advocacy.  It makes me wonder if they&#8217;re another of those organizations that&#8217;s T and B because it would be politically impossible for them to be an LG organization only &#8212; like the Log Cabin Republicans explicitly are.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Lindoro, thanks for standing up for us “T”‘s. It’s a relief after the bashing some BTB readers have given us.&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you sweetheart. I have had amny a conversation with a &quot;T&quot; brother or sister and their presence in my life has been nothing but uplifting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lindoro, thanks for standing up for us “T”‘s. It’s a relief after the bashing some BTB readers have given us.</i></p>
<p>Thank you sweetheart. I have had amny a conversation with a &#8220;T&#8221; brother or sister and their presence in my life has been nothing but uplifting.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/17/42941/comment-page-1#comment-119768</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,
I have to agree with the others who see false equivalence in your comparison of GOProud all the time and GetEqual&#039;s opposition to HRC for using Goldman Sach CEO Lloyd Blankfein as a spokesperson.  Goldman Sachs played a significant role in the financial disaster that we&#039;re trying to live through now.  He and Bill Gates are NOT the same.

Plus it seems you&#039;re trying to smear LGBTs and their allies who oppose HRC&#039;s alliance with Blankfein as being knee jerk anti-business.  And just as you&#039;ve recently made the case that GOProud isn&#039;t _really_ a gay organization, you&#039;re now trying to suggest that gay activists who think economic perceptions matter aren&#039;t _really_ gay activists.

This blog post of yours seems a little tone deaf on economic issues, because there are a lot of people who are REALLY pissed at Goldman Sachs and the rest of the financial sector right now -- and have good reason to be, including a great many people who are struggling just to get by.

One thing HRC and maybe you also don&#039;t get is that LGB people are seen by a large portion of straight people as white and affluent.  They don&#039;t think of us at the same time they think of people trying to keep their homes or get enough food to eat.  Black, Latino, and Native American people are thought of that way, but not us.  And some gay people are VERY happy that we generally aren&#039;t thought of that way, but those gay people are, in my opinion, shallow and self-absorbed.  Because the perception of us as uniformly affluent splits us off from the large proportion of straight Americans who struggle with getting by.  And it&#039;s all too helpful to the anti-gay crowd when they want to pit us against ethnic minorities who have even bigger problems with poverty than do Americans in general.

Those of us in and allied to the LGBT community know that the HRC doesn&#039;t represent us all, but when I&#039;ve seen straight writers write about it, they&#039;ve operate under the assumption that the HRC does speak for all LGBTs.  We really don&#039;t need HRC&#039;s grandstanding with a financial industry malefactor to tar us with the image of being cynically and uncaringly affluent, or of being craven, fawning suckups to the wealthy and powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,<br />
I have to agree with the others who see false equivalence in your comparison of GOProud all the time and GetEqual&#8217;s opposition to HRC for using Goldman Sach CEO Lloyd Blankfein as a spokesperson.  Goldman Sachs played a significant role in the financial disaster that we&#8217;re trying to live through now.  He and Bill Gates are NOT the same.</p>
<p>Plus it seems you&#8217;re trying to smear LGBTs and their allies who oppose HRC&#8217;s alliance with Blankfein as being knee jerk anti-business.  And just as you&#8217;ve recently made the case that GOProud isn&#8217;t _really_ a gay organization, you&#8217;re now trying to suggest that gay activists who think economic perceptions matter aren&#8217;t _really_ gay activists.</p>
<p>This blog post of yours seems a little tone deaf on economic issues, because there are a lot of people who are REALLY pissed at Goldman Sachs and the rest of the financial sector right now &#8212; and have good reason to be, including a great many people who are struggling just to get by.</p>
<p>One thing HRC and maybe you also don&#8217;t get is that LGB people are seen by a large portion of straight people as white and affluent.  They don&#8217;t think of us at the same time they think of people trying to keep their homes or get enough food to eat.  Black, Latino, and Native American people are thought of that way, but not us.  And some gay people are VERY happy that we generally aren&#8217;t thought of that way, but those gay people are, in my opinion, shallow and self-absorbed.  Because the perception of us as uniformly affluent splits us off from the large proportion of straight Americans who struggle with getting by.  And it&#8217;s all too helpful to the anti-gay crowd when they want to pit us against ethnic minorities who have even bigger problems with poverty than do Americans in general.</p>
<p>Those of us in and allied to the LGBT community know that the HRC doesn&#8217;t represent us all, but when I&#8217;ve seen straight writers write about it, they&#8217;ve operate under the assumption that the HRC does speak for all LGBTs.  We really don&#8217;t need HRC&#8217;s grandstanding with a financial industry malefactor to tar us with the image of being cynically and uncaringly affluent, or of being craven, fawning suckups to the wealthy and powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: fannie</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/17/42941/comment-page-1#comment-119767</link>
		<dc:creator>fannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;And while some in our community are not going to ever change their perspective about the role of business in society, most of us will happily accept their support.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You need to be really careful about deigning to speak for &quot;most of us,&quot; Timothy. Have you conducted any polls? Were you appointed our official spokesman? 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And if advancing gay rights is but a secondary purpose – as is the case with GOPride and GetEqual – then you aren’t a gay organization.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Same with kicking people and organizations out of the True Gay Organization club.

Believe it or not, many LGBT people are perfectly capable of truly, sincerely supporting LGBT equality while also supporting other important issues. 
Unfortunately, you seem to demand support for the issues &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; care about, but continually trivialize non-gay related social justice issues that allies and others in the LGBT community care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;And while some in our community are not going to ever change their perspective about the role of business in society, most of us will happily accept their support.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You need to be really careful about deigning to speak for &#8220;most of us,&#8221; Timothy. Have you conducted any polls? Were you appointed our official spokesman? </p>
<p><i>&#8220;And if advancing gay rights is but a secondary purpose – as is the case with GOPride and GetEqual – then you aren’t a gay organization.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Same with kicking people and organizations out of the True Gay Organization club.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, many LGBT people are perfectly capable of truly, sincerely supporting LGBT equality while also supporting other important issues.<br />
Unfortunately, you seem to demand support for the issues <i>you</i> care about, but continually trivialize non-gay related social justice issues that allies and others in the LGBT community care about.</p>
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		<title>By: MattNYC</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/17/42941/comment-page-1#comment-119751</link>
		<dc:creator>MattNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Disclosure: I donate to GetEqual and boycott HRC)

I agree with GetEqual.  I would not stand in the same room with Lloyd Blankfein.  He belongs in a cell with Bernie Madoff.  If Bernie Madoff wanted to endorse HRC&#039;s agenda, I am sure they&#039;d happily arrange a cocktail party in the prison visitor&#039;s hall.  They&#039;d sell their mothers for a $10,000 donation.

The Task Force is doing a good job of linking issues.  HRC continues with its tunnel vision.  I can only pray that the new ED will change their attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Disclosure: I donate to GetEqual and boycott HRC)</p>
<p>I agree with GetEqual.  I would not stand in the same room with Lloyd Blankfein.  He belongs in a cell with Bernie Madoff.  If Bernie Madoff wanted to endorse HRC&#8217;s agenda, I am sure they&#8217;d happily arrange a cocktail party in the prison visitor&#8217;s hall.  They&#8217;d sell their mothers for a $10,000 donation.</p>
<p>The Task Force is doing a good job of linking issues.  HRC continues with its tunnel vision.  I can only pray that the new ED will change their attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Jonson</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/17/42941/comment-page-1#comment-119745</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GetEqual has been an altogether responsible organization that has moved gay rights forward. They have also pushed HRC and exposed it as having been coopted by the Democratic Party and big business. There is simply no equivalence between them and the odious GoProud. Really absurd to say the two organizations in the same breath. I contribute to both HRC and GetEqual. I&#039;d like to see them work together, but I am always happy when GetEqual pushes HRC to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GetEqual has been an altogether responsible organization that has moved gay rights forward. They have also pushed HRC and exposed it as having been coopted by the Democratic Party and big business. There is simply no equivalence between them and the odious GoProud. Really absurd to say the two organizations in the same breath. I contribute to both HRC and GetEqual. I&#8217;d like to see them work together, but I am always happy when GetEqual pushes HRC to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this ridiculous. GetEqual has not dedicated any substantial resources toward working for economic justice; merely opposing the CEO&#039;s of Goldman Sachs spokesperson gig, a company whose name really is toxic across much of the country (for good reason, IMO) hardly means they&#039;re no longer a gay organization. GOProud, on the other hand, consistently supports politicians with anti-gay views, and seems to oppose the centrist and leftist gay rights orgs as often as they oppose anti-gay policy. 

I&#039;ve come to accept, however, that a lot of people have a sincere belief that both sides of the political spectrum are equally at fault in most if not all ways, and look only for evidence to confirm that belief rather than accepting the evidence for the fact that sometimes one side doesn&#039;t match the other in a particular way at all. In this case, there is no left-wing equivalent to GOProud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this ridiculous. GetEqual has not dedicated any substantial resources toward working for economic justice; merely opposing the CEO&#8217;s of Goldman Sachs spokesperson gig, a company whose name really is toxic across much of the country (for good reason, IMO) hardly means they&#8217;re no longer a gay organization. GOProud, on the other hand, consistently supports politicians with anti-gay views, and seems to oppose the centrist and leftist gay rights orgs as often as they oppose anti-gay policy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to accept, however, that a lot of people have a sincere belief that both sides of the political spectrum are equally at fault in most if not all ways, and look only for evidence to confirm that belief rather than accepting the evidence for the fact that sometimes one side doesn&#8217;t match the other in a particular way at all. In this case, there is no left-wing equivalent to GOProud.</p>
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