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	<title>Comments on: False promises at the Y</title>
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		<title>By: zoom</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/20/42997/comment-page-1#comment-137238</link>
		<dc:creator>zoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Mike wound up about &quot;christian values?  Mike is Jewish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Mike wound up about &#8220;christian values?  Mike is Jewish.</p>
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		<title>By: Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It smells to me like a &quot;wide-stance&quot; justification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It smells to me like a &#8220;wide-stance&#8221; justification.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/20/42997/comment-page-1#comment-120173</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete,

I didn&#039;t say you should be groped. But taking this story at face value requires more suspension of disbelief than your average sci-fi thriller. 

Picture it: he&#039;s reading a newspaper which presumably is taking up some portion of his lap alone in a sauna. Suddenly someone has seated them self within a foot or two without his notice. That person then somehow maneuvers past his paper and gets such a firm grip on his penis that his hand has to be pried off. 

I&#039;ve not conducted any definitive study on the graspability of penes, but I think that shared wisdom would agree that getting a firm grip on a flaccid penis - without including any accompanying matters - is seldom a feat easily accomplished on a seated man while negotiating a newspaper, all without his awareness, and presumably without any ease of access minded grooming. 

On the other hand, Mr. Keister&#039;s offended member may have in some way isolated itself from its surrounding environment and represented itself as the sort of object that is graspable in such a manner as to require a hand to be &quot;pried off&quot;. 

Which does not mean that Mr. Keister should be assaulted, but it might cause one to ponder whether his shock and surprise originated more in the telling of the story to his wife than it did at the moment. Or he reads significantly more stimulating newspapers than I do.  

Or it could be the case that Mr. Keister is the sort of fellow who has outside the norm proportions. But it&#039;s unlikely that he would have gotten to his age without someone at some point saying, &quot;my god, what IS that?&quot; in which case he has an entirely different complaint from the one he filed. 

In other words, either Mr. Keister&#039;s flaccid penis is quite the astonishing member or this is all a bit too &quot;that&#039;s what the homosexuals do&quot; for me to take seriously.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say you should be groped. But taking this story at face value requires more suspension of disbelief than your average sci-fi thriller. </p>
<p>Picture it: he&#8217;s reading a newspaper which presumably is taking up some portion of his lap alone in a sauna. Suddenly someone has seated them self within a foot or two without his notice. That person then somehow maneuvers past his paper and gets such a firm grip on his penis that his hand has to be pried off. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not conducted any definitive study on the graspability of penes, but I think that shared wisdom would agree that getting a firm grip on a flaccid penis &#8211; without including any accompanying matters &#8211; is seldom a feat easily accomplished on a seated man while negotiating a newspaper, all without his awareness, and presumably without any ease of access minded grooming. </p>
<p>On the other hand, Mr. Keister&#8217;s offended member may have in some way isolated itself from its surrounding environment and represented itself as the sort of object that is graspable in such a manner as to require a hand to be &#8220;pried off&#8221;. </p>
<p>Which does not mean that Mr. Keister should be assaulted, but it might cause one to ponder whether his shock and surprise originated more in the telling of the story to his wife than it did at the moment. Or he reads significantly more stimulating newspapers than I do.  </p>
<p>Or it could be the case that Mr. Keister is the sort of fellow who has outside the norm proportions. But it&#8217;s unlikely that he would have gotten to his age without someone at some point saying, &#8220;my god, what IS that?&#8221; in which case he has an entirely different complaint from the one he filed. </p>
<p>In other words, either Mr. Keister&#8217;s flaccid penis is quite the astonishing member or this is all a bit too &#8220;that&#8217;s what the homosexuals do&#8221; for me to take seriously.  </p>
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		<title>By: Peter D'Angelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter D'Angelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 05:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So lemme get this right Tim...a man can&#039;t be a member of anything that has to do with steam or water because those are havens for gay men who can&#039;t keep their hands off you...is that right Tim?
 
It&#039;s the YMCA, not a gay bar, or a gay bath house.

Michael Keister, me or anyone else for that matter has every right to go to the steam room or the locker room or the sauna without being assaulted. If you think that&#039;s funny or a problem then you friend have the problem and not Michael Keister.
 
I am gay and I have to add, thanks to the grabber for making us all look like mental case perverts who can&#039;t behave in an appropriate manner. Great job you fool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So lemme get this right Tim&#8230;a man can&#8217;t be a member of anything that has to do with steam or water because those are havens for gay men who can&#8217;t keep their hands off you&#8230;is that right Tim?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the YMCA, not a gay bar, or a gay bath house.</p>
<p>Michael Keister, me or anyone else for that matter has every right to go to the steam room or the locker room or the sauna without being assaulted. If you think that&#8217;s funny or a problem then you friend have the problem and not Michael Keister.</p>
<p>I am gay and I have to add, thanks to the grabber for making us all look like mental case perverts who can&#8217;t behave in an appropriate manner. Great job you fool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with everybody.  The story seems farfetched, but sexual assault is never remotely excusable or funny.

The victim does not seem to have gone through proper channels, though, such as reporting the assault to the company and the police, so I don&#039;t see this suit going anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with everybody.  The story seems farfetched, but sexual assault is never remotely excusable or funny.</p>
<p>The victim does not seem to have gone through proper channels, though, such as reporting the assault to the company and the police, so I don&#8217;t see this suit going anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with StraightGrandmother.  This conduct, if it took place, is clearly wrong.  Timothy, there is an allegation here of a sexual assault.  I wouldn&#039;t treat it so lightly.  I&#039;m gay, but if someone came up to me and grabbed my penis without my permission, I&#039;d consider it a criminal matter.  

Separate issues are whether these events actually happened as alleged and whether the Y should be liable to any degree.  The first issue is a matter of proof for the plaintiff and the latter is a matter of law.  I tend to think that the allegations are probably exaggerated and that liability probably does not attach under these circumstances.  But that really doesn&#039;t justify the rather breezy tone of this post or the majority of the replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with StraightGrandmother.  This conduct, if it took place, is clearly wrong.  Timothy, there is an allegation here of a sexual assault.  I wouldn&#8217;t treat it so lightly.  I&#8217;m gay, but if someone came up to me and grabbed my penis without my permission, I&#8217;d consider it a criminal matter.  </p>
<p>Separate issues are whether these events actually happened as alleged and whether the Y should be liable to any degree.  The first issue is a matter of proof for the plaintiff and the latter is a matter of law.  I tend to think that the allegations are probably exaggerated and that liability probably does not attach under these circumstances.  But that really doesn&#8217;t justify the rather breezy tone of this post or the majority of the replies.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SG,

I have news for you.  No 3 year old is safe on a gym floor, in a sauna, or in a steamroom, be it at the Y or anywhere else.  

I don&#039;t care whether heterosexual hookers are doing tricks in the sauna or not.  DO NOT bring your three year old grandson into a sauna, steamroom, or gym floor.  In fact, unless they have facilities specifically designed for toddler care, don&#039;t bring your 3 year old grandson to the gym at all.  

It isn&#039;t safe and it is a tremendous imposition on those who are trying to work out.  If I saw a three year old on the gym floor I would stop my routine immediately - as would all those who regularly work out.  We know that it&#039;s dangerous enough with adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG,</p>
<p>I have news for you.  No 3 year old is safe on a gym floor, in a sauna, or in a steamroom, be it at the Y or anywhere else.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care whether heterosexual hookers are doing tricks in the sauna or not.  DO NOT bring your three year old grandson into a sauna, steamroom, or gym floor.  In fact, unless they have facilities specifically designed for toddler care, don&#8217;t bring your 3 year old grandson to the gym at all.  </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t safe and it is a tremendous imposition on those who are trying to work out.  If I saw a three year old on the gym floor I would stop my routine immediately &#8211; as would all those who regularly work out.  We know that it&#8217;s dangerous enough with adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/03/20/42997/comment-page-1#comment-119976</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whateverelse happened or didn&#039;t the allegation of sexual assault is a serious one. &amp; if the Y did not  take previous sexual assaults seriously (provided they existed) they may be found liable. The other claims are laughable.

Clearly the lawyers are going for maximum press exposure by trying to expand this into a class action. Such an action certainly casts the motivations of the firm in a suspicious light, but that shouldn&#039;t cast doubt on Keister. He may be a dupe being used for political purposes but sexual assault is still serious &amp; he was assaulted according to the facts he gave. Another case to follow to see how it all shakes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whateverelse happened or didn&#8217;t the allegation of sexual assault is a serious one. &amp; if the Y did not  take previous sexual assaults seriously (provided they existed) they may be found liable. The other claims are laughable.</p>
<p>Clearly the lawyers are going for maximum press exposure by trying to expand this into a class action. Such an action certainly casts the motivations of the firm in a suspicious light, but that shouldn&#8217;t cast doubt on Keister. He may be a dupe being used for political purposes but sexual assault is still serious &amp; he was assaulted according to the facts he gave. Another case to follow to see how it all shakes out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Herrmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Herrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;happened&quot; in North Carloina. North Carolina has an anti-gay marriage amendment on the ballot in the upcoming May primary. Connect the dots. This is a total fabrication, a set up, to provide an &quot;incident&quot; for the anti-gay side to trumpet. It will all disappear after the primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;happened&#8221; in North Carloina. North Carolina has an anti-gay marriage amendment on the ballot in the upcoming May primary. Connect the dots. This is a total fabrication, a set up, to provide an &#8220;incident&#8221; for the anti-gay side to trumpet. It will all disappear after the primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Blake, it seems pretty far fetched that this happened to the guy and he didn&#039;t call the police or attempt to have anything done about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Blake, it seems pretty far fetched that this happened to the guy and he didn&#8217;t call the police or attempt to have anything done about it.</p>
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