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	<title>Comments on: Two men on Atlantis cruise arrested in Dominica</title>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on the ship, and I was on the S. Caribbean cruise last year with Atlantis as well.  

Regarding the cruise itself--both times have been the best vacations I&#039;ve ever had.  Spending a week in an all-gay environment is one of the most freeing experiences I&#039;ve ever been a part of.

Regarding the arrest- I tend to agree with Timothy that it would have been very hard to see these guys from shore.  There was a small protest on shore, and I&#039;m assuming that group was intently looking for something to create a stir.  It&#039;s unfortunate that these guys chose this type of behavior (they&#039;ve gone from initially denying it to now admitting they were naked and not commenting on sexual activity).  It&#039;s even more unfortunate that these guys seemed to have been treated this way.

In Atlantis&#039; defence--they had a representative from their company and one from the ship with the men the entire time, and they were in contact with the American Embassy in Barbados.

Regarding the islands--there are a handful of gay positive or gay-neutral Caribbean islands out there, but Atlantis is a company that depends on repeat business, so they are looking to take people to new places.  They aren&#039;t going to get a lot of repeat bookings if they go to the same places every year.  I&#039;d also like to note that prior to the Lawrence ruling in the US, homosexual activity was illegal in many US states and it is still not safe to be openly gay in many parts of the US.  In an ideal world, everyone would be pro-gay, but I don&#039;t think we can blame a company that happens to travel to places that have anti-gay laws on the books.  We all still lived in the US prior to 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on the ship, and I was on the S. Caribbean cruise last year with Atlantis as well.  </p>
<p>Regarding the cruise itself&#8211;both times have been the best vacations I&#8217;ve ever had.  Spending a week in an all-gay environment is one of the most freeing experiences I&#8217;ve ever been a part of.</p>
<p>Regarding the arrest- I tend to agree with Timothy that it would have been very hard to see these guys from shore.  There was a small protest on shore, and I&#8217;m assuming that group was intently looking for something to create a stir.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that these guys chose this type of behavior (they&#8217;ve gone from initially denying it to now admitting they were naked and not commenting on sexual activity).  It&#8217;s even more unfortunate that these guys seemed to have been treated this way.</p>
<p>In Atlantis&#8217; defence&#8211;they had a representative from their company and one from the ship with the men the entire time, and they were in contact with the American Embassy in Barbados.</p>
<p>Regarding the islands&#8211;there are a handful of gay positive or gay-neutral Caribbean islands out there, but Atlantis is a company that depends on repeat business, so they are looking to take people to new places.  They aren&#8217;t going to get a lot of repeat bookings if they go to the same places every year.  I&#8217;d also like to note that prior to the Lawrence ruling in the US, homosexual activity was illegal in many US states and it is still not safe to be openly gay in many parts of the US.  In an ideal world, everyone would be pro-gay, but I don&#8217;t think we can blame a company that happens to travel to places that have anti-gay laws on the books.  We all still lived in the US prior to 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blake - thanks for the correction.  That is probably something that anyone embarking on a cruise should have emblazoned on their ticket.   That and &quot;be a good guest&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake &#8211; thanks for the correction.  That is probably something that anyone embarking on a cruise should have emblazoned on their ticket.   That and &#8220;be a good guest&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: iDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>iDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the ship Captain&#039;s report:

 http://www.queerty.com/atlantis-president-arrested-men-had-balcony-sex-in-full-public-view-of-the-port-and-town-20120322/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the ship Captain&#8217;s report:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.queerty.com/atlantis-president-arrested-men-had-balcony-sex-in-full-public-view-of-the-port-and-town-20120322/" rel="nofollow">http://www.queerty.com/atlantis-president-arrested-men-had-balcony-sex-in-full-public-view-of-the-port-and-town-20120322/</a></p>
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		<title>By: iDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>iDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is why are these two knuckleheads naked on their deck when any gay person with half a brain knows the countries to watch out for. 
Seems the sillies never heard the phrase &quot;when in Rome&quot;. 
My guess is they were doing the randy act, &#039;let&#039;s tell the locals to fuck off and go bust a nut on the deck, yeh Billie let&#039;s do it!&quot;. You&#039;ve seen the movie, When Billie Met Silly. Truly an international disgrace. Stupid, very stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is why are these two knuckleheads naked on their deck when any gay person with half a brain knows the countries to watch out for.<br />
Seems the sillies never heard the phrase &#8220;when in Rome&#8221;.<br />
My guess is they were doing the randy act, &#8216;let&#8217;s tell the locals to fuck off and go bust a nut on the deck, yeh Billie let&#8217;s do it!&#8221;. You&#8217;ve seen the movie, When Billie Met Silly. Truly an international disgrace. Stupid, very stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dutch islands are friendlier. They may not yet conduct same sex marriages but the Kingdom insists that they recognize them.  And a few years ago Curaçao’s tourism board created a website to attract gay tourists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dutch islands are friendlier. They may not yet conduct same sex marriages but the Kingdom insists that they recognize them.  And a few years ago Curaçao’s tourism board created a website to attract gay tourists.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very hard to believe these charges. We all know how the anti gay can OVERREACT in the worst way to the most innocent of things a gay person can be doing.
 I&#039;m suspecting the couple probably kissed each other passionately, which would at once identify them as a gay couple and the police just imagined they saw anything more than that.
And we know what active imaginations the anti gay have, don&#039;t we?

   And we also know how eager the police and others can be to abuse their authority and do what they can do humiliate gay people.
  If they didn&#039;t act THAT way, crying wolf all the time, then it would be easier to believe that this couple might have acted indecently.

  I&#039;ll reserve judgement, after all we haven&#039;t heard the other side of this. We&#039;re only going on what the local police have said.

   Tell you what folks, I wouldn&#039;t give any money to a tourist company or tourist nation that was so disrespectful to paying guests.

  I know that visiting American tourists can be disrespectful to local customs. But in cases like this, I think there might be some exaggeration.
Just wondering.
As someone in my profession MUST. ;0)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very hard to believe these charges. We all know how the anti gay can OVERREACT in the worst way to the most innocent of things a gay person can be doing.<br />
 I&#8217;m suspecting the couple probably kissed each other passionately, which would at once identify them as a gay couple and the police just imagined they saw anything more than that.<br />
And we know what active imaginations the anti gay have, don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>   And we also know how eager the police and others can be to abuse their authority and do what they can do humiliate gay people.<br />
  If they didn&#8217;t act THAT way, crying wolf all the time, then it would be easier to believe that this couple might have acted indecently.</p>
<p>  I&#8217;ll reserve judgement, after all we haven&#8217;t heard the other side of this. We&#8217;re only going on what the local police have said.</p>
<p>   Tell you what folks, I wouldn&#8217;t give any money to a tourist company or tourist nation that was so disrespectful to paying guests.</p>
<p>  I know that visiting American tourists can be disrespectful to local customs. But in cases like this, I think there might be some exaggeration.<br />
Just wondering.<br />
As someone in my profession MUST. ;0)</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love cruising but Atlantis/RSVP never got my money &amp; now they never will. I knew it was a matter of time before something like this happened &amp; the way that their CEO is throwing the two perps under the bus in the press is sickening. If there are no gay friendly islands in the Caribbean they should stick to Mexican ports of call or South American. Or they could launch more service to other places where gays are more accepted. At the very least they should warn their passengers about the consequences of sexual expression in not-gay-friendly ports-of-call. Now if the party queens/circuit boys/gym bunnies who patronize these ships would start paying attention...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love cruising but Atlantis/RSVP never got my money &amp; now they never will. I knew it was a matter of time before something like this happened &amp; the way that their CEO is throwing the two perps under the bus in the press is sickening. If there are no gay friendly islands in the Caribbean they should stick to Mexican ports of call or South American. Or they could launch more service to other places where gays are more accepted. At the very least they should warn their passengers about the consequences of sexual expression in not-gay-friendly ports-of-call. Now if the party queens/circuit boys/gym bunnies who patronize these ships would start paying attention&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hlavac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hlavac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think other than the US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico there is no gay friendly island in the Caribbean. But I would also think that this is not the first time a gay cruise docked in Dominica, so why the fuss now by the locals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think other than the US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico there is no gay friendly island in the Caribbean. But I would also think that this is not the first time a gay cruise docked in Dominica, so why the fuss now by the locals?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Lazybrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Lazybrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blake is correct.  The bigger question for me is why does Rich Campbell of Atlantis/RSVP Cruises continue to endanger his passengers and funnel dollars to anti-Gay nations by continuing to patronize anti-Gay nations.  This cruise also stopped at Barbados and Grenada (both hideously anti-Gay nations which criminalize being Gay as well).

I was on the Atlantis Southern Caribbean Cruise last year, which stopped in St Lucia.  I was unaware of the fact that being Gay was illegal in St Lucia until after I had purchased by trip.  No announcement about the fact that St Lucia is anti-Gay and criminalizes Gay persons was made on board by either Atlantis or RCL as far as I was able to tell. 

Please note.  Atlantis will be travelling to St Petersburg Russia on its&#039; Baltic Cruise on July 28 and 29.  As you know, St Petersburg has recently passed legislation banning LGBT Russians from basic freedoms of assembly, association, petition, protest, speech, and press.  In response, the Russian LGBT community has asked tourists to stay away.  Last week, the Canadian foreign ministry issued a public warning about Gay persons travelling to St Petersburg.  And still, Atlantis will be dropping off 2000 Gay people onto the streets of St Petersburg.  I fear for the safety of the passengers.  And I question their decision to dock there in the first place.

Needless to say, I&#039;m done with Atlantis Events/RSVP until they act with some modicum of discretion as to the safety of their passengers, the desires of the host LGBT communities, and the global fight for very basic human rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake is correct.  The bigger question for me is why does Rich Campbell of Atlantis/RSVP Cruises continue to endanger his passengers and funnel dollars to anti-Gay nations by continuing to patronize anti-Gay nations.  This cruise also stopped at Barbados and Grenada (both hideously anti-Gay nations which criminalize being Gay as well).</p>
<p>I was on the Atlantis Southern Caribbean Cruise last year, which stopped in St Lucia.  I was unaware of the fact that being Gay was illegal in St Lucia until after I had purchased by trip.  No announcement about the fact that St Lucia is anti-Gay and criminalizes Gay persons was made on board by either Atlantis or RCL as far as I was able to tell. </p>
<p>Please note.  Atlantis will be travelling to St Petersburg Russia on its&#8217; Baltic Cruise on July 28 and 29.  As you know, St Petersburg has recently passed legislation banning LGBT Russians from basic freedoms of assembly, association, petition, protest, speech, and press.  In response, the Russian LGBT community has asked tourists to stay away.  Last week, the Canadian foreign ministry issued a public warning about Gay persons travelling to St Petersburg.  And still, Atlantis will be dropping off 2000 Gay people onto the streets of St Petersburg.  I fear for the safety of the passengers.  And I question their decision to dock there in the first place.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I&#8217;m done with Atlantis Events/RSVP until they act with some modicum of discretion as to the safety of their passengers, the desires of the host LGBT communities, and the global fight for very basic human rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, you are mistaken in your understanding of maritime law. As long as the vessel is in the internal waters of a nation, such as a port or a bay, the nation&#039;s laws apply to the vessel &amp; the passengers on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, you are mistaken in your understanding of maritime law. As long as the vessel is in the internal waters of a nation, such as a port or a bay, the nation&#8217;s laws apply to the vessel &amp; the passengers on board.</p>
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