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	<title>Comments on: NOM Tactics Revealed in Court Docs Dump</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SGM

Fred Karger is a joker. A jester. The guy in the clown suit who thinks he&#039;s going to president. Ha! As a Republican. Ha!

And like jesters before him, this gives him power to tell the truth in ways no one else can. Silly ol&#039; Fred with his frisbees and his lawsuits and his ridiculous campaign can demand attention as a candidate but not fear losing voters by what he says. 

It isn&#039;t just the gay community that owes Fred. All Americans owe him thanks for taking on this role. The speaker of unspeakable truth is crucial to any society</description>
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<p>Fred Karger is a joker. A jester. The guy in the clown suit who thinks he&#8217;s going to president. Ha! As a Republican. Ha!</p>
<p>And like jesters before him, this gives him power to tell the truth in ways no one else can. Silly ol&#8217; Fred with his frisbees and his lawsuits and his ridiculous campaign can demand attention as a candidate but not fear losing voters by what he says. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just the gay community that owes Fred. All Americans owe him thanks for taking on this role. The speaker of unspeakable truth is crucial to any society</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think -- if NOM had actually followed state campaign law and disclosed their donors in the first place, we never would have gotten access to these documents. It&#039;s so satisfying to see their own contempt for the rules come back to bite them in the ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think &#8212; if NOM had actually followed state campaign law and disclosed their donors in the first place, we never would have gotten access to these documents. It&#8217;s so satisfying to see their own contempt for the rules come back to bite them in the ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 03:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show. Me. The Money. These documents were presented as part of a lawsuit that we hope will identify just who is ponying up all those buckaroos for this cynical, obsessive, divisive bullshit. Any guesses at this point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show. Me. The Money. These documents were presented as part of a lawsuit that we hope will identify just who is ponying up all those buckaroos for this cynical, obsessive, divisive bullshit. Any guesses at this point?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, Great job! I guess we&#039;re all a little tired from stayin up late last night to digest the docs, and email, tweet, what not.

My new slogan, NOM NO MORE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, Great job! I guess we&#8217;re all a little tired from stayin up late last night to digest the docs, and email, tweet, what not.</p>
<p>My new slogan, NOM NO MORE!</p>
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		<title>By: F Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>F Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our ultimate goal is the make opposition to gay marriage an identity marker, a badge of youth rebellion to conforming assimilation to the bad side of “Anglo” culture.&quot;
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&quot;Marriage needs to be a national (and ultimately international) effort, not just a local or regional issue.&quot;

This (opposition to gays as an identity marker, a badge of youth rebellion to conforming assimilation to western culture) has actually happened in sub-Saharan Africa. I wonder if it was just a natural process, or whether it was planned, strategized and organized.

My other comment is about the amazing amount of money that NOM had to carry out their strategy. Twenty million, for one group on one issue. 

Overall, I think the strategy is sophisticated and very ambitious, and of course cynical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our ultimate goal is the make opposition to gay marriage an identity marker, a badge of youth rebellion to conforming assimilation to the bad side of “Anglo” culture.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;..<br />
&#8220;Marriage needs to be a national (and ultimately international) effort, not just a local or regional issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>This (opposition to gays as an identity marker, a badge of youth rebellion to conforming assimilation to western culture) has actually happened in sub-Saharan Africa. I wonder if it was just a natural process, or whether it was planned, strategized and organized.</p>
<p>My other comment is about the amazing amount of money that NOM had to carry out their strategy. Twenty million, for one group on one issue. </p>
<p>Overall, I think the strategy is sophisticated and very ambitious, and of course cynical.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like &lt;b&gt;Nick Literski&lt;/b&gt; above, I have a keen interest in the main sources of funding for the nefarious NOM agenda, but I have an even keener interest in knowing who developed this strategy.

Whomever or whatever organization(s) were responsible for formulating the NOM plan of attack is or are either incredibly cynical or downright evil. This &lt;i&gt;smells&lt;/i&gt; of something that might easily have emerged from the largest criminal enterprise on the planet: the RCC. I however certainly do not put it beyond the much smaller but well organized Evil Empire based in Salt Lake City.

It is wild speculation to assume that either &quot;religious&quot; organization is responsible for developing the obviously &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; political NOM strategy. On the other hand, the incredibly cynical and evil approaches taken by it were not developed by political novices or the typical evangelical/christianist frauds that rob the naïve faithful of their hard-earned cash to live a rich and famous lifestyle. These are seasoned political operatives and strategists that are determined to win irrespective of the collateral damage to young lives, families, and whole political movements that might or even appear to stand in the way.

But whomever they may be, the developers of the NOM strategic plans ought to be exposed in the process of shining the light on NOM, its sources of funding, and those behind the NOM curtain we know nothing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like <b>Nick Literski</b> above, I have a keen interest in the main sources of funding for the nefarious NOM agenda, but I have an even keener interest in knowing who developed this strategy.</p>
<p>Whomever or whatever organization(s) were responsible for formulating the NOM plan of attack is or are either incredibly cynical or downright evil. This <i>smells</i> of something that might easily have emerged from the largest criminal enterprise on the planet: the RCC. I however certainly do not put it beyond the much smaller but well organized Evil Empire based in Salt Lake City.</p>
<p>It is wild speculation to assume that either &#8220;religious&#8221; organization is responsible for developing the obviously <i>very</i> political NOM strategy. On the other hand, the incredibly cynical and evil approaches taken by it were not developed by political novices or the typical evangelical/christianist frauds that rob the naïve faithful of their hard-earned cash to live a rich and famous lifestyle. These are seasoned political operatives and strategists that are determined to win irrespective of the collateral damage to young lives, families, and whole political movements that might or even appear to stand in the way.</p>
<p>But whomever they may be, the developers of the NOM strategic plans ought to be exposed in the process of shining the light on NOM, its sources of funding, and those behind the NOM curtain we know nothing about.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who is hurt by gay marriage? The rapid response video project would aim to put an emotionally compelling face on the answer to this question. … &quot;

Yet every time I see Brian Brown in news media he brings up the same two pieces of fudge from Massachusetts, the Catholic adoption agency and teaching kids as young as kindergarten about SSM. The former case is a long bow argument relevant only to the issue of discrimination and the latter is a confabulation based on the availability of the book King And King in a school library, not a consequence of allowing SSM in the state and nothing to do with the curriculum.

It seems NOM doesn&#039;t even have an honest face, much less an emotionally compelling one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who is hurt by gay marriage? The rapid response video project would aim to put an emotionally compelling face on the answer to this question. … &#8221;</p>
<p>Yet every time I see Brian Brown in news media he brings up the same two pieces of fudge from Massachusetts, the Catholic adoption agency and teaching kids as young as kindergarten about SSM. The former case is a long bow argument relevant only to the issue of discrimination and the latter is a confabulation based on the availability of the book King And King in a school library, not a consequence of allowing SSM in the state and nothing to do with the curriculum.</p>
<p>It seems NOM doesn&#8217;t even have an honest face, much less an emotionally compelling one.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best pre-birthday gift ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best pre-birthday gift ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, some intense stuff. Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, some intense stuff. Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
I was moving to quick. I thought you wrote the article Tim, by bad. You guys both work full time AND do this? WOW!

I take some small satisfaction of being the first one to post the docs. Because I posted them, then HRC had to hurry up last night and release them also. They had planned to analyze them overnight and make a big announcement this morning. I have private e-mails which verify this. 

Oh well, in the end what matters is that the information is now out in the public domain. If HRC wants to claim that they &quot;exclusively&quot; have these docs as they are now doing, I really don&#039;t care all that much. It&#039;s not true, but that is okay. 

The REAL unsung HERO is Fred Karger. It was Fred who filed the initial election law complaint against NOM. Then NOM sued him and he won. Good As You has a nice statement from Fed Karger. My little tiny work is a grain of sand compared to Fred Karger. We all owe Fred Karger a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
I was moving to quick. I thought you wrote the article Tim, by bad. You guys both work full time AND do this? WOW!</p>
<p>I take some small satisfaction of being the first one to post the docs. Because I posted them, then HRC had to hurry up last night and release them also. They had planned to analyze them overnight and make a big announcement this morning. I have private e-mails which verify this. </p>
<p>Oh well, in the end what matters is that the information is now out in the public domain. If HRC wants to claim that they &#8220;exclusively&#8221; have these docs as they are now doing, I really don&#8217;t care all that much. It&#8217;s not true, but that is okay. </p>
<p>The REAL unsung HERO is Fred Karger. It was Fred who filed the initial election law complaint against NOM. Then NOM sued him and he won. Good As You has a nice statement from Fed Karger. My little tiny work is a grain of sand compared to Fred Karger. We all owe Fred Karger a lot.</p>
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