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	<title>Comments on: Gabriel Arana On His &#8220;So-Called Ex-Gay Life&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: robert helmreich</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert helmreich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 21:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in faculty teaching at Yale in the late 50s. Seldon Bscon in sociology who went on to Rutgers, I believe taught every stereotype about mom, distand dae, etc Irving Child, in psychology collaborated with John Whiting of Harvard and looked at society cross-culturally. Their conclusion was that homosexuality is a universal (n animals as well as humans). So, my alma-mater went from antediluvian to state of the art.
Great article and one I hopw will influence many, especially the young who may stiff suffer from angst about their orientation
bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in faculty teaching at Yale in the late 50s. Seldon Bscon in sociology who went on to Rutgers, I believe taught every stereotype about mom, distand dae, etc Irving Child, in psychology collaborated with John Whiting of Harvard and looked at society cross-culturally. Their conclusion was that homosexuality is a universal (n animals as well as humans). So, my alma-mater went from antediluvian to state of the art.<br />
Great article and one I hopw will influence many, especially the young who may stiff suffer from angst about their orientation<br />
bob</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with those who say Nicolosi is a fraud.  It strikes me that he portrays the classic definition of insanity.  Just keep doing the same thing over and over expecting to get different results.

If this reparative therapy had any basis in reality, conversely it would be possible to reverse engineer a str8 dude.  Make him gay for a month then reconvert him back to str8 if he wants that.

Won&#039;t happen, of course, and quacks like Nicolosi will keep popping up.  There are still places in the world that &quot;cure&quot; left-handedness.  That didn&#039;t work on me either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those who say Nicolosi is a fraud.  It strikes me that he portrays the classic definition of insanity.  Just keep doing the same thing over and over expecting to get different results.</p>
<p>If this reparative therapy had any basis in reality, conversely it would be possible to reverse engineer a str8 dude.  Make him gay for a month then reconvert him back to str8 if he wants that.</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t happen, of course, and quacks like Nicolosi will keep popping up.  There are still places in the world that &#8220;cure&#8221; left-handedness.  That didn&#8217;t work on me either.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I read the whole article. Nicolosi is a fraud, that much is clear but he doesn&#039;t want to believe he is a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I read the whole article. Nicolosi is a fraud, that much is clear but he doesn&#8217;t want to believe he is a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good piece. Nicolosi is clearly selling snake oil. I wonder how he still has a license. Hardly surprising that he blamed the author for failing him not the other way round.

I was particularly interested in the emphasis on masculinity, as socially defined. Part of a panic that set in as social roles started to change during WWII.

This &#039;distant father/over-controlling mother&#039; malarkey was popular among Freudians in NYC in the 50s and 60s. Gay men trying to change were a significant part of the population who frequented psychiatrists offices. Didn&#039;t work then, either.

When my mother discovered my homosexuality in just about the worst way that she could she spent years tormenting herself that it was her fault. I&#039;m glad to say that we achieved a genuine reconciliation before she died, though I could never forget the things that were said to me. I would have been a lot less forgiving with Nicolosi but would probably not have written as well about him.

And really, how does he still have a license?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good piece. Nicolosi is clearly selling snake oil. I wonder how he still has a license. Hardly surprising that he blamed the author for failing him not the other way round.</p>
<p>I was particularly interested in the emphasis on masculinity, as socially defined. Part of a panic that set in as social roles started to change during WWII.</p>
<p>This &#8216;distant father/over-controlling mother&#8217; malarkey was popular among Freudians in NYC in the 50s and 60s. Gay men trying to change were a significant part of the population who frequented psychiatrists offices. Didn&#8217;t work then, either.</p>
<p>When my mother discovered my homosexuality in just about the worst way that she could she spent years tormenting herself that it was her fault. I&#8217;m glad to say that we achieved a genuine reconciliation before she died, though I could never forget the things that were said to me. I would have been a lot less forgiving with Nicolosi but would probably not have written as well about him.</p>
<p>And really, how does he still have a license?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twirly Girl, it was my mistake. I had a massive brain fart when I scheduled this post. It ended up going up here before it went up at Te American Prospect. My apologies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twirly Girl, it was my mistake. I had a massive brain fart when I scheduled this post. It ended up going up here before it went up at Te American Prospect. My apologies</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG that story is so powerful.
 
I was literally on the edge of my seat reading it. Gabe tells his story in a way that straight people like me &quot;get it&quot;. I can&#039;t imagine how a man who is gay or a woman who is a lesbian, who did experience emotional conflicts over their sexual orientation as a youth, will feel reading the story. 

I really like the end of the article when Gabe calls Nicolosi. Nicolosi seems like a coke head to me, always after his next high. &quot;Sorry Gabe that my therapy didn&#039;t work for you, it is NOT my fault though, it is YOU and your family&#039;s fault because in my opinion you never properly bonded with males. So that&#039;s on you man.&quot; 

&quot;BUT chasing my next high, we now have new and improved therapies (like a commercial for Tide laundry detergent, the never ending new and improved products) and these have me on a natural High, I am SURE this new man talk is just the ticket.&quot; (and if that doesn&#039;t work well then he will move onto the Next New and Improved...)

Nicolosi knows that he is a failure. It was interesting that he only sent 9 men to Spitzer, only 9. 

Where is the Spitzer rebuttal published? I would like to read it. 
 
At 137 clients each having a session one time per week at $75 per session this works out to $41,100 PER MONTH! Cha-Ching! I would like to know how much Gabe&#039;s parents spent on Nicolosi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG that story is so powerful.</p>
<p>I was literally on the edge of my seat reading it. Gabe tells his story in a way that straight people like me &#8220;get it&#8221;. I can&#8217;t imagine how a man who is gay or a woman who is a lesbian, who did experience emotional conflicts over their sexual orientation as a youth, will feel reading the story. </p>
<p>I really like the end of the article when Gabe calls Nicolosi. Nicolosi seems like a coke head to me, always after his next high. &#8220;Sorry Gabe that my therapy didn&#8217;t work for you, it is NOT my fault though, it is YOU and your family&#8217;s fault because in my opinion you never properly bonded with males. So that&#8217;s on you man.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;BUT chasing my next high, we now have new and improved therapies (like a commercial for Tide laundry detergent, the never ending new and improved products) and these have me on a natural High, I am SURE this new man talk is just the ticket.&#8221; (and if that doesn&#8217;t work well then he will move onto the Next New and Improved&#8230;)</p>
<p>Nicolosi knows that he is a failure. It was interesting that he only sent 9 men to Spitzer, only 9. </p>
<p>Where is the Spitzer rebuttal published? I would like to read it. </p>
<p>At 137 clients each having a session one time per week at $75 per session this works out to $41,100 PER MONTH! Cha-Ching! I would like to know how much Gabe&#8217;s parents spent on Nicolosi.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe Arana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe Arana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be live now, sorry about the delay!

Gabe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be live now, sorry about the delay!</p>
<p>Gabe</p>
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		<title>By: TwirlyGirly</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwirlyGirly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:

I registered for an account at American Prospect, but when I try to access the articlethrough the link you provided the page says &quot;access denied.&quot;

The article doesn&#039;t appear on the site either using the search feature or when looking at the list of articles written by Gabriel Arana.

Is is possible you were given an &quot;advanced copy&quot; and that the article has not yet been posted to the site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:</p>
<p>I registered for an account at American Prospect, but when I try to access the articlethrough the link you provided the page says &#8220;access denied.&#8221;</p>
<p>The article doesn&#8217;t appear on the site either using the search feature or when looking at the list of articles written by Gabriel Arana.</p>
<p>Is is possible you were given an &#8220;advanced copy&#8221; and that the article has not yet been posted to the site?</p>
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