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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Big Gay Journey</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 18:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Skooler,  I agree Obama flip-flopped on marriage equality and while on one hand that&#039;s disappointing on the other hand if one is going to get elected a certain amount of that is pretty much required.  In looking back I&#039;d see LGBT Americans are the better for having Obaman flip flop and get elected than they would have been if he hadn&#039;t and hadn&#039;t been elected.  So you can be angry and call Obama heartless if you want, but I don&#039;t see it that way and I certainly don&#039;t blame anyone else for being happy about Obama&#039;s &quot;evolution&quot; - all in all, its been a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Skooler,  I agree Obama flip-flopped on marriage equality and while on one hand that&#8217;s disappointing on the other hand if one is going to get elected a certain amount of that is pretty much required.  In looking back I&#8217;d see LGBT Americans are the better for having Obaman flip flop and get elected than they would have been if he hadn&#8217;t and hadn&#8217;t been elected.  So you can be angry and call Obama heartless if you want, but I don&#8217;t see it that way and I certainly don&#8217;t blame anyone else for being happy about Obama&#8217;s &#8220;evolution&#8221; &#8211; all in all, its been a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 18:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jutta,

Race is a funny thing. 

I was watching Dancing with the Stars (I finally got around to last week&#039;s episode last night) and the show played up that the grandmothers of Disney actor Roshon Fegan.  On is African-American and the other Filipina, but both were of the age where features were less distinct and had grandma-colored skin, that light tan hue that seems to be the color that so many ethnicities, pale to dark, eventually settle on.  

We place so much importance on race.  But here were two women - one Black, one Asian - and I had no idea what their race was and clearly it didn&#039;t much matter to them that night either.

All I could think was that one of the grandmas looked like she belonged in my family and I kept trying to figure out who she reminds me of.  I&#039;ve kinda settled on my great-grandmother, but she died when I was very young and I only have one picture of her so that seems to be a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jutta,</p>
<p>Race is a funny thing. </p>
<p>I was watching Dancing with the Stars (I finally got around to last week&#8217;s episode last night) and the show played up that the grandmothers of Disney actor Roshon Fegan.  On is African-American and the other Filipina, but both were of the age where features were less distinct and had grandma-colored skin, that light tan hue that seems to be the color that so many ethnicities, pale to dark, eventually settle on.  </p>
<p>We place so much importance on race.  But here were two women &#8211; one Black, one Asian &#8211; and I had no idea what their race was and clearly it didn&#8217;t much matter to them that night either.</p>
<p>All I could think was that one of the grandmas looked like she belonged in my family and I kept trying to figure out who she reminds me of.  I&#8217;ve kinda settled on my great-grandmother, but she died when I was very young and I only have one picture of her so that seems to be a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Skooler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Skooler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humanity is not affirmed! And if you&#039;re in need of it being affirmed you need to get something or someone meaningful in your life ASAP! Presidents affirm positons, not people. As much as you would like to hype or believe otherwise the facts state the opposite. Being drunk on gay is not an excuse for such over-reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humanity is not affirmed! And if you&#8217;re in need of it being affirmed you need to get something or someone meaningful in your life ASAP! Presidents affirm positons, not people. As much as you would like to hype or believe otherwise the facts state the opposite. Being drunk on gay is not an excuse for such over-reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Skooler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Skooler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did Obama have to evolve his views? To me as a gay person I find that more offensive! Why did his views have to &quot;evolve&quot;? Weren&#039;t gays evolved enough to support them without having to flip-flop on the issue from 2004 until 2008 and back again in 2012? Obama cannot be taken seriously. Intellectual gay people see his heartless charade for what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did Obama have to evolve his views? To me as a gay person I find that more offensive! Why did his views have to &#8220;evolve&#8221;? Weren&#8217;t gays evolved enough to support them without having to flip-flop on the issue from 2004 until 2008 and back again in 2012? Obama cannot be taken seriously. Intellectual gay people see his heartless charade for what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: MCB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 13:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jutta:
Race is a social construct, not a genetic reality. In places like Apartheid South Africa, Pres. Obama would not be considered black, he&#039;d be &quot;colored.&quot; In  other cultures, he&#039;d be &quot;mulatto.&quot; Any white blood is seen as a positive lifting you out of blackness.

But in America, culturally, we have had a tradition of the &quot;one drop rule.&quot; If you&#039;re at all &quot;black,&quot; then you&#039;re black. Blackness taints your whiteness. Obama in particular &quot;looks black,&quot; and therefore it was probably inescapable that he be identified as such by society, even if he is biracial. Look at Tiger Woods; his Thai mother is standing *right there* but he still gets called &quot;black&quot; all the time, in spite of his protestations that he&#039;s multiracial.

Or to put it another way, race is a stupid thing Western society made up and don&#039;t apply in a reasonable fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jutta:<br />
Race is a social construct, not a genetic reality. In places like Apartheid South Africa, Pres. Obama would not be considered black, he&#8217;d be &#8220;colored.&#8221; In  other cultures, he&#8217;d be &#8220;mulatto.&#8221; Any white blood is seen as a positive lifting you out of blackness.</p>
<p>But in America, culturally, we have had a tradition of the &#8220;one drop rule.&#8221; If you&#8217;re at all &#8220;black,&#8221; then you&#8217;re black. Blackness taints your whiteness. Obama in particular &#8220;looks black,&#8221; and therefore it was probably inescapable that he be identified as such by society, even if he is biracial. Look at Tiger Woods; his Thai mother is standing *right there* but he still gets called &#8220;black&#8221; all the time, in spite of his protestations that he&#8217;s multiracial.</p>
<p>Or to put it another way, race is a stupid thing Western society made up and don&#8217;t apply in a reasonable fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: jutta</title>
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		<dc:creator>jutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a sidenote: I have never understood why people who have one black parent and one white parent are called black. They are as much white as they are black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a sidenote: I have never understood why people who have one black parent and one white parent are called black. They are as much white as they are black.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina Brown was responsible for the cover and the title.  
Sullivan&#039;s article (and I do not like him) was excellent.
Timothy Kincaid&#039;s tantalizing scuttle-butt about Toni Morrison is irrelevant, but I&#039;m glad he&#039;s back to agent provocateur mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina Brown was responsible for the cover and the title.<br />
Sullivan&#8217;s article (and I do not like him) was excellent.<br />
Timothy Kincaid&#8217;s tantalizing scuttle-butt about Toni Morrison is irrelevant, but I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s back to agent provocateur mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait!  It was Toni Morrison who came up with that title for Clinton?!?

Yikes.  But it makes sense now.

The lovely Ms. Morrison is, shall I put it mildly, somewhat detached from reality.  Okay, a long what detached. (I happened to know details and behind the scenes about a little social drama in which she lost her groove.  Not a nice woman.  Not a sane woman.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait!  It was Toni Morrison who came up with that title for Clinton?!?</p>
<p>Yikes.  But it makes sense now.</p>
<p>The lovely Ms. Morrison is, shall I put it mildly, somewhat detached from reality.  Okay, a long what detached. (I happened to know details and behind the scenes about a little social drama in which she lost her groove.  Not a nice woman.  Not a sane woman.)</p>
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		<title>By: MJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that Andrew Sullivan and Tina Bro(Newsweek&#039;s editor) are both British-born American citizens. So, to a point, I can forgive the error. And, clearly, not many know about President Buchanan (or Lincoln sleeping with a soldier). But I think it&#039;s always important to dispel mythology.

By the way, shouldn&#039;t there be an ad, if even a comical one, featuring Romney saying &quot;marriage has always been between a man and a woman...and a woman...and a woman...and a woman...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Andrew Sullivan and Tina Bro(Newsweek&#8217;s editor) are both British-born American citizens. So, to a point, I can forgive the error. And, clearly, not many know about President Buchanan (or Lincoln sleeping with a soldier). But I think it&#8217;s always important to dispel mythology.</p>
<p>By the way, shouldn&#8217;t there be an ad, if even a comical one, featuring Romney saying &#8220;marriage has always been between a man and a woman&#8230;and a woman&#8230;and a woman&#8230;and a woman&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with those who&#039;ve expressed discomfort with the &quot;first gay president&quot; rhetoric. The main problem is that there are some who believe that only gay people support gay rights; and those people now feel justified in their beliefs. A gay man is telling them Obama is a gay president, and that&#039;s enough for them. His announcement will undoubtedly get him some votes, but it will lose him some too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those who&#8217;ve expressed discomfort with the &#8220;first gay president&#8221; rhetoric. The main problem is that there are some who believe that only gay people support gay rights; and those people now feel justified in their beliefs. A gay man is telling them Obama is a gay president, and that&#8217;s enough for them. His announcement will undoubtedly get him some votes, but it will lose him some too.</p>
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