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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 05:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read all the comments here. I barely got through all of the text in the original post, so it&#039;s possible that this has already been posted by someone else.

I understand his sample size was too small to work with to have a study on specifically stable same-sex families. As long as that is clearly stated that is fine.

However his study goes on to compare it to stable heterosexual families. It would seem to me a better comparison would be to heterosexual families that have the same proportion of instability as the homosexual families he&#039;s faced. Then he would be able to make a definitive statement about whether sexuality plays into raising of children in unstable families (which would be difficult in either case, but who knows, may be more difficult with parents who have had same-sex relationships).

It&#039;s simply not very good science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all the comments here. I barely got through all of the text in the original post, so it&#8217;s possible that this has already been posted by someone else.</p>
<p>I understand his sample size was too small to work with to have a study on specifically stable same-sex families. As long as that is clearly stated that is fine.</p>
<p>However his study goes on to compare it to stable heterosexual families. It would seem to me a better comparison would be to heterosexual families that have the same proportion of instability as the homosexual families he&#8217;s faced. Then he would be able to make a definitive statement about whether sexuality plays into raising of children in unstable families (which would be difficult in either case, but who knows, may be more difficult with parents who have had same-sex relationships).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simply not very good science.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/12/45598/comment-page-2#comment-127245</link>
		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I am going to post this on all the Regnerus topics on Box Turtle. Let&#039;s say we &lt;b&gt;all work together&lt;/b&gt; and make a terrific website where we collect all this information on the Regnerus&#039; Study.

We crowd source this and everybody helps. I think what is missing is a lot of comments on the research by other Sociologists. We can all take a State and then call all the Universities in that State and speak to Sociologists there and ask them to provide their feedback on the research. 

Other people can work on collecting up all the direct quotes from Regnerus.

Oh and shouldn&#039;t we collect up all the places the data is being misreported? I saw for example a quote something like, &quot;Well this study proves that pedophilia is rampant with gays&quot;

And what about a website? Should we buy a domain name or should we use Blogger or Word press or something? If we hosted this separately how much would that cost us in bandwidth if a lot of people visited? Does anybody have idea on this? 

Let&#039;s set this up and organize this so it will be real easy for lawyers from our side to have a good reference point to jump off from. 

What else? Do you like this idea? Who will help? I don&#039;t mind if this is a part of Box Turtle and they are getting recognition for this. But I do think to do this right it is to big for the few guys at Box Turtle we need a lot more helping hands than just those guys. Whadda think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I am going to post this on all the Regnerus topics on Box Turtle. Let&#8217;s say we <b>all work together</b> and make a terrific website where we collect all this information on the Regnerus&#8217; Study.</p>
<p>We crowd source this and everybody helps. I think what is missing is a lot of comments on the research by other Sociologists. We can all take a State and then call all the Universities in that State and speak to Sociologists there and ask them to provide their feedback on the research. </p>
<p>Other people can work on collecting up all the direct quotes from Regnerus.</p>
<p>Oh and shouldn&#8217;t we collect up all the places the data is being misreported? I saw for example a quote something like, &#8220;Well this study proves that pedophilia is rampant with gays&#8221;</p>
<p>And what about a website? Should we buy a domain name or should we use Blogger or Word press or something? If we hosted this separately how much would that cost us in bandwidth if a lot of people visited? Does anybody have idea on this? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s set this up and organize this so it will be real easy for lawyers from our side to have a good reference point to jump off from. </p>
<p>What else? Do you like this idea? Who will help? I don&#8217;t mind if this is a part of Box Turtle and they are getting recognition for this. But I do think to do this right it is to big for the few guys at Box Turtle we need a lot more helping hands than just those guys. Whadda think?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 06:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear StraightGrandmother,

Thank you. You&#039;re a Saint! Thank you for your drive, tenaciousness, and expertise AND reposting all of this stuff!

Victor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear StraightGrandmother,</p>
<p>Thank you. You&#8217;re a Saint! Thank you for your drive, tenaciousness, and expertise AND reposting all of this stuff!</p>
<p>Victor</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muscat- I wouldn&#039;t put too much stock in anything Brennan said. Actual experts generally don&#039;t feel the need to constantly trumpet their expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muscat- I wouldn&#8217;t put too much stock in anything Brennan said. Actual experts generally don&#8217;t feel the need to constantly trumpet their expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Muscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Boo - Yes, that&#039;s more or less what I was saying.  Let&#039;s say I collect a random sample of families that gets me, say, 5 Asian-American families, and then because the sample size for Asian-American families is so small I lump together other ethnic minorities I also got from random sampling.   If I then try to say I can conclude something about Asian-American families based on that lumped-together sample, and on top of that I claim that my study is better than previous studies of Asian-American families because I used random sampling, on both counts I am full of hooey (I believe that&#039;s the technical term ;) ).  I think this is a fair analogy for what Regnerus did with &quot;same-sex couples/parents&quot;.

@Brennin - The fact that either you couldn&#039;t figure out that was my critique or else just jumped to the least charitable interpretation probably tells me all I need to know.  But, just so you know, I&#039;m a social scientist trained in quantitative methods at one of the best programs for statistical training in the country, so your condescending comments suggesting I don&#039;t understand or appreciate statistics are really off base.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Boo &#8211; Yes, that&#8217;s more or less what I was saying.  Let&#8217;s say I collect a random sample of families that gets me, say, 5 Asian-American families, and then because the sample size for Asian-American families is so small I lump together other ethnic minorities I also got from random sampling.   If I then try to say I can conclude something about Asian-American families based on that lumped-together sample, and on top of that I claim that my study is better than previous studies of Asian-American families because I used random sampling, on both counts I am full of hooey (I believe that&#8217;s the technical term ;) ).  I think this is a fair analogy for what Regnerus did with &#8220;same-sex couples/parents&#8221;.</p>
<p>@Brennin &#8211; The fact that either you couldn&#8217;t figure out that was my critique or else just jumped to the least charitable interpretation probably tells me all I need to know.  But, just so you know, I&#8217;m a social scientist trained in quantitative methods at one of the best programs for statistical training in the country, so your condescending comments suggesting I don&#8217;t understand or appreciate statistics are really off base.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not suggest that Mr. Regnerus lose his license (although prospective graduate sociology students with a quantitative bent interested in family and sexuality studies might think long and hard before accepting an offer of admission by UT).  Nor have I disclosed my sexual orientation, and I doubt my &quot;histrionic screeching&quot; as you describe my posts is uncalled for.  It is very clear to me that Regnerus wants the role of Paul Cameron, if not the suggestion that he is at all similar to Cameron. He clearly contacted anti-gay groups and outlets to promote his study, I think it is clear that he was looking to establish that gay parents were inferior and he used the easiest method of doing that: Looking to failed mixed orientation marriages, and not even bothering to attempt to find a sufficient sample of long term intact two-parent same-sex families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not suggest that Mr. Regnerus lose his license (although prospective graduate sociology students with a quantitative bent interested in family and sexuality studies might think long and hard before accepting an offer of admission by UT).  Nor have I disclosed my sexual orientation, and I doubt my &#8220;histrionic screeching&#8221; as you describe my posts is uncalled for.  It is very clear to me that Regnerus wants the role of Paul Cameron, if not the suggestion that he is at all similar to Cameron. He clearly contacted anti-gay groups and outlets to promote his study, I think it is clear that he was looking to establish that gay parents were inferior and he used the easiest method of doing that: Looking to failed mixed orientation marriages, and not even bothering to attempt to find a sufficient sample of long term intact two-parent same-sex families.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the questionnaire was biased was already explained by Jim in his articles. Pay some attention. I don&#039;t need to explain it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the questionnaire was biased was already explained by Jim in his articles. Pay some attention. I don&#8217;t need to explain it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Luxe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Luxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best comment --  from Tafter, another poster

June 12th, 2012 &#124; LINK
The problem I have with all of this is that, despite some great data collection and numerous caveats in the publication, Mark Regnerus is running around selling this study as proof of something sinister about same sex parents. Try to square his measured statements above with his quote in LiveScience:

“The study found “that the scholarly and popular consensus that there are no notable differences between the children who grew up with a mother or father in a same-sex relationship and those whose (heterosexual) mother and father were and are still married is a fiction,” study researcher Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas, told LiveScience. “</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best comment &#8212;  from Tafter, another poster</p>
<p>June 12th, 2012 | LINK<br />
The problem I have with all of this is that, despite some great data collection and numerous caveats in the publication, Mark Regnerus is running around selling this study as proof of something sinister about same sex parents. Try to square his measured statements above with his quote in LiveScience:</p>
<p>“The study found “that the scholarly and popular consensus that there are no notable differences between the children who grew up with a mother or father in a same-sex relationship and those whose (heterosexual) mother and father were and are still married is a fiction,” study researcher Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas, told LiveScience. “</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brennin Statistician
It&#039;s okay. If I were you I&#039;d want to run away from the actual issues being raised too. 

Or maybe you would care to tell us why it was appropriate to separate out the divorced familes for straight parents but not for gay parents? I mean, I&#039;d hate to think that all you have to offer is more empty bluster. I certainly have reason to think that, but I would hate to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brennin Statistician<br />
It&#8217;s okay. If I were you I&#8217;d want to run away from the actual issues being raised too. </p>
<p>Or maybe you would care to tell us why it was appropriate to separate out the divorced familes for straight parents but not for gay parents? I mean, I&#8217;d hate to think that all you have to offer is more empty bluster. I certainly have reason to think that, but I would hate to.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Jonson
Why yes I do know the contact for the Journal Social Science Research. And I can assure you they put out a list of all their editors on the internet. I may have contacted one, two, three, four, you know I kinda lost track. I did not use their convenient on line form but I went on the internet and looked up their e-mail address so I could include Rob Tisinai&#039;s great picture right inside my e-mail
http://wakingupnow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/quit-damning5.png

Here is the link to the Journal this is published in they have an on line form to contact like 20 different Editors and Advisory Editors.

http://www.journals.elsevier.com/social-science-research/editorial-board/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Jonson<br />
Why yes I do know the contact for the Journal Social Science Research. And I can assure you they put out a list of all their editors on the internet. I may have contacted one, two, three, four, you know I kinda lost track. I did not use their convenient on line form but I went on the internet and looked up their e-mail address so I could include Rob Tisinai&#8217;s great picture right inside my e-mail<br />
<a href="http://wakingupnow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/quit-damning5.png" rel="nofollow">http://wakingupnow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/quit-damning5.png</a></p>
<p>Here is the link to the Journal this is published in they have an on line form to contact like 20 different Editors and Advisory Editors.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.journals.elsevier.com/social-science-research/editorial-board/" rel="nofollow">http://www.journals.elsevier.com/social-science-research/editorial-board/</a></p>
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