Comments on: Express Delivery: The Regnerus “Gay Parenting” Paper Took The Fast Lane To Publication http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:13:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: StraightGrandmother http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-127240 StraightGrandmother Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:49:32 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-127240 I think I am going to post this on all the Regnerus topics on Box Turtle. Let's say we <b>all work together</b> and make a terrific website where we collect all this information on the Regnerus' Study. We crowd source this and everybody helps. I think what is missing is a lot of comments on the research by other Sociologists. We can all take a State and then call all the Universities in that State and speak to Sociologists there and ask them to provide their feedback on the research. Other people can work on collecting up all the direct quotes from Regnerus. Oh and shouldn't we collect up all the places the data is being misreported? I saw for example a quote something like, "Well this study proves that pedophilia is rampant with gays" And what about a website? Should we buy a domain name or should we use Blogger or Word press or something? If we hosted this separately how much would that cost us in bandwidth if a lot of people visited? Does anybody have idea on this? Let's set this up and organize this so it will be real easy for lawyers from our side to have a good reference point to jump off from. What else? Do you like this idea? Who will help? I don't mind if this is a part of Box Turtle and they are getting recognition for this. But I do think to do this right it is to big for the few guys at Box Turtle we need a lot more helping hands than just those guys. Whadda think? I think I am going to post this on all the Regnerus topics on Box Turtle. Let’s say we all work together and make a terrific website where we collect all this information on the Regnerus’ Study.

We crowd source this and everybody helps. I think what is missing is a lot of comments on the research by other Sociologists. We can all take a State and then call all the Universities in that State and speak to Sociologists there and ask them to provide their feedback on the research.

Other people can work on collecting up all the direct quotes from Regnerus.

Oh and shouldn’t we collect up all the places the data is being misreported? I saw for example a quote something like, “Well this study proves that pedophilia is rampant with gays”

And what about a website? Should we buy a domain name or should we use Blogger or Word press or something? If we hosted this separately how much would that cost us in bandwidth if a lot of people visited? Does anybody have idea on this?

Let’s set this up and organize this so it will be real easy for lawyers from our side to have a good reference point to jump off from.

What else? Do you like this idea? Who will help? I don’t mind if this is a part of Box Turtle and they are getting recognition for this. But I do think to do this right it is to big for the few guys at Box Turtle we need a lot more helping hands than just those guys. Whadda think?

]]> By: Donny D. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126896 Donny D. Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:57:19 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126896 Given the current intensity of homophobia and biphobia and the resulting tendency of straight people to think they're the only folks in existence, mixed orientation marriage is a term that could conceivably be useful. It seems to me that when a monosexual and a bisexual person are married, there could be societally-caused problems. Especially if the bisexual person has a lot of time and social identity in the monosexual community that is opposite to the orientation of the monosexual spouse. I don't know how often that's true, but it must be true of some portion of mixed orientation marriages. Given the current intensity of homophobia and biphobia and the resulting tendency of straight people to think they’re the only folks in existence, mixed orientation marriage is a term that could conceivably be useful. It seems to me that when a monosexual and a bisexual person are married, there could be societally-caused problems. Especially if the bisexual person has a lot of time and social identity in the monosexual community that is opposite to the orientation of the monosexual spouse. I don’t know how often that’s true, but it must be true of some portion of mixed orientation marriages.

]]> By: Marc Paige http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126852 Marc Paige Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:43:04 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126852 When the parents have affairs, there can be negative outcomes for children. Big surprise there! When the parents have affairs, there can be negative outcomes for children. Big surprise there!

]]> By: Priya Lynn http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126804 Priya Lynn Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:21:27 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126804 Alex, I think "mismatched unions" is somewhat ambiguous whereas "mixed orientation marriages" is a little more clear as to what the reference is. Personally it never crossed my mind to think that marriages with a bisexual or transexual partner might be considered a "mixed orientation marriage". To me it was always clear that it referred to a a gay or lesbian married to a hetero sexual. Alex, I think “mismatched unions” is somewhat ambiguous whereas “mixed orientation marriages” is a little more clear as to what the reference is. Personally it never crossed my mind to think that marriages with a bisexual or transexual partner might be considered a “mixed orientation marriage”. To me it was always clear that it referred to a a gay or lesbian married to a hetero
sexual.

]]> By: Alex http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126788 Alex Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:28:43 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126788 I appreciate all the work that has been done to show how weak, harmful and unethical this study was. However, I would like to advocate for a change in language and not use "mixed orientation marriages", even as defined by StraightGrandmother. I believe that, although it is in the literature, it comes from ignoring (willfully or not) the reality of many bisexual and transgender marriages (and parents). Mixed orientation marriages happen all the time with bi and trans folks. Many of them are incredibly happy, especially if people felt able to be open and honest from the start. Those unions that do not work are the ones in which one or both parties are denying their identities. I am in a very happy "mixed orientation marriage" and have been for 12 years. We are raising an amazing child. I was already out as queer/bi when I married my spouse and came out as trans/genderqueer a few years into our marriage. I believe that using such terms in a derogatory manner perpetuates the invisibility of bisexuality and it is hurtful to those trans folks who have also found a way to make their marriages work. I believe that this term only perpetuates heteronormative binary view of human sexuality, which it's not at all helpful to our cause (and yes, I feel fully part of the LGBTQ movement, despite the judgement, biphobia and transphobia I experienced in the past 20 years. And yes, I want to see the US finally sanction marriage equality on a federal level). I invite you all, amazing people commenting on this blog, to use terms such as "marriage equality" rather than gay marriage, and "mismatched unions" instead than mixed orientation marriages. Lets not leave parts of our movements behind while fighting for full citizenship. Thanks. I appreciate all the work that has been done to show how weak, harmful and unethical this study was. However, I would like to advocate for a change in language and not use “mixed orientation marriages”, even as defined by StraightGrandmother. I believe that, although it is in the literature, it comes from ignoring (willfully or not) the reality of many bisexual and transgender marriages (and parents). Mixed orientation marriages happen all the time with bi and trans folks. Many of them are incredibly happy, especially if people felt able to be open and honest from the start. Those unions that do not work are the ones in which one or both parties are denying their identities. I am in a very happy “mixed orientation marriage” and have been for 12 years. We are raising an amazing child. I was already out as queer/bi when I married my spouse and came out as trans/genderqueer a few years into our marriage. I believe that using such terms in a derogatory manner perpetuates the invisibility of bisexuality and it is hurtful to those trans folks who have also found a way to make their marriages work. I believe that this term only perpetuates heteronormative binary view of human sexuality, which it’s not at all helpful to our cause (and yes, I feel fully part of the LGBTQ movement, despite the judgement, biphobia and transphobia I experienced in the past 20 years. And yes, I want to see the US finally sanction marriage equality on a federal level). I invite you all, amazing people commenting on this blog, to use terms such as “marriage equality” rather than gay marriage, and “mismatched unions” instead than mixed orientation marriages. Lets not leave parts of our movements behind while fighting for full citizenship. Thanks.

]]> By: Smith http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126680 Smith Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:23:15 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126680 SGM, I can tell you that this study will never be admitted into evidence in any court case. This study is useful to the anti-gay side politically, not legally. BTW, wasting no time, Peter LaBarbera has posted an interview with Peter Sprigg from FRC = who now calls himself a "senior fellow for policy studies" - about the "gay parenting" study. This nicely illustrates what is going on. They are constructing a parallel universe of authority - fake experts opining on fake studies to buttress their preconceived biases. SGM, I can tell you that this study will never be admitted into evidence in any court case. This study is useful to the anti-gay side politically, not legally.

BTW, wasting no time, Peter LaBarbera has posted an interview with Peter Sprigg from FRC = who now calls himself a “senior fellow for policy studies” – about the “gay parenting” study. This nicely illustrates what is going on. They are constructing a parallel universe of authority – fake experts opining on fake studies to buttress their preconceived biases.

]]> By: StraightGrandmother http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126634 StraightGrandmother Sat, 16 Jun 2012 03:03:29 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126634 Oh I forgot to reply to your, "Am I off base her?" I think it was probably a real good idea for you to ask for clarification, I was just throwing out the term weakly defined so I don't think you are off base, not at all. Oh I forgot to reply to your, “Am I off base her?” I think it was probably a real good idea for you to ask for clarification, I was just throwing out the term weakly defined so I don’t think you are off base, not at all.

]]> By: StraightGrandmother http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126633 StraightGrandmother Sat, 16 Jun 2012 03:00:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126633 Lily I think that a bi-sexual person has as good of chance as anybody else to a happy long marriage. That is what we all desire and want, compatibility with our spouse. As long as you are compatible romantically, emotionally and sexually you are not in a Mixed Orientation Marriage. A Mixed orientation marriage is when you are not compatible romantically, emotionally or sexually attracted to your spouse, but to people opposite of your spouses gender. I am not an expert, I have simply studied the matter and this is my understanding. Lily I think that a bi-sexual person has as good of chance as anybody else to a happy long marriage. That is what we all desire and want, compatibility with our spouse. As long as you are compatible romantically, emotionally and sexually you are not in a Mixed Orientation Marriage.

A Mixed orientation marriage is when you are not compatible romantically, emotionally or sexually attracted to your spouse, but to people opposite of your spouses gender.

I am not an expert, I have simply studied the matter and this is my understanding.

]]> By: Lily http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126632 Lily Sat, 16 Jun 2012 02:50:40 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126632 StraightGrandmother: I am confused/concerned by this "Mixed Orientation Marriage" term. Does this include, for example, a same-sex marriage involving a lesbian and a bisexual woman? Would a child raised in a loving family be harmed by this relationship configuration? Without defining the term, your statements such as "we should discourage people from entering into Mixed Orientation Marriages" were a bit disturbing. Based on your previous posts and important actions you have taken to challenge this research article, I suspect this isn't what you meant. However I worry that this term, among other things, risks perpetuating prejudices against the bisexual community. Am I off-base here? StraightGrandmother:

I am confused/concerned by this “Mixed Orientation Marriage” term.

Does this include, for example, a same-sex marriage involving a lesbian and a bisexual woman?

Would a child raised in a loving family be harmed by this relationship configuration?

Without defining the term, your statements such as
“we should discourage people from entering into Mixed Orientation Marriages” were a bit disturbing.

Based on your previous posts and important actions you have taken to challenge this research article, I suspect this isn’t what you meant. However I worry that this term, among other things, risks perpetuating prejudices against the bisexual community.

Am I off-base here?

]]> By: TomTallis http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/06/15/45638/comment-page-1#comment-126620 TomTallis Sat, 16 Jun 2012 01:09:30 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=45638#comment-126620 Zinnia Jones weighs in: http://youtu.be/tLnCqAT_bcw Zinnia Jones weighs in:

http://youtu.be/tLnCqAT_bcw

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