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	<title>Comments on: Regnerus&#8217; Defenders Miss the Point</title>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 16:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ally,
I agree with you. Potter&#039;s study does NOT show that intact families headed by same gender couples affects the math performance of their children. I am so glad you wrote to him :) :) :)

But on the other hand Ally, I kind of have a niggling question in my mind &quot;What was the purpose of this study and who funded it and why?&quot; 

I am worried that we are at the tip of the iceberg of a new effort of NOM to buy HATE Science. NOM, and obviously it IS NOM with the Robert George connections, is finding funding for research now and I don&#039;t remember them ever doing this before. Now it might not flow directly through NOM but Robert George seems to be the point that all dots connect to.And Robert George IS NOM.

Since you have written Potter before would it be to much trouble to ask you to write back, or better yet call him, and find out the background of how this study originated. You know, maybe I am jumping to conclusions here, Ally could you possibly see what you can find out? He is probably on vacation for a couple weeks but if you could call him I would so much be interested in hearing what you learn. Many thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ally,<br />
I agree with you. Potter&#8217;s study does NOT show that intact families headed by same gender couples affects the math performance of their children. I am so glad you wrote to him :) :) :)</p>
<p>But on the other hand Ally, I kind of have a niggling question in my mind &#8220;What was the purpose of this study and who funded it and why?&#8221; </p>
<p>I am worried that we are at the tip of the iceberg of a new effort of NOM to buy HATE Science. NOM, and obviously it IS NOM with the Robert George connections, is finding funding for research now and I don&#8217;t remember them ever doing this before. Now it might not flow directly through NOM but Robert George seems to be the point that all dots connect to.And Robert George IS NOM.</p>
<p>Since you have written Potter before would it be to much trouble to ask you to write back, or better yet call him, and find out the background of how this study originated. You know, maybe I am jumping to conclusions here, Ally could you possibly see what you can find out? He is probably on vacation for a couple weeks but if you could call him I would so much be interested in hearing what you learn. Many thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lippard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straight Grandmother wrote: &quot;“1990 K Street, NW, Suite 500, Washington, DC
20006-1107 (dpotter@air.org)”

I wonder who else is at 1990 K Street in DC? It seems like an odd address for me for a researcher.&quot;

This is a large office building in D.C. The American Institutes for Research is there (where Potter is), as are offices of the U.S. Department of Education, the Federal Highway Administration, and many other companies and organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight Grandmother wrote: &#8220;“1990 K Street, NW, Suite 500, Washington, DC<br />
20006-1107 (dpotter@air.org)”</p>
<p>I wonder who else is at 1990 K Street in DC? It seems like an odd address for me for a researcher.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a large office building in D.C. The American Institutes for Research is there (where Potter is), as are offices of the U.S. Department of Education, the Federal Highway Administration, and many other companies and organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*no significant differences.

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*no significant differences.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree with the claims against Dr. Potter&#039;s study. He very clearly states in his conclusions that once the &quot;transitions&quot; are accounted for, there are not significant differences. I have emailed him (twice, now) about the conservatives co-opting and cherry-picking his research, and he has been courteous and open about the study and its limitations. I don&#039;t think we should fault him for other people misusing his findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree with the claims against Dr. Potter&#8217;s study. He very clearly states in his conclusions that once the &#8220;transitions&#8221; are accounted for, there are not significant differences. I have emailed him (twice, now) about the conservatives co-opting and cherry-picking his research, and he has been courteous and open about the study and its limitations. I don&#8217;t think we should fault him for other people misusing his findings.</p>
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		<title>By: BobN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recent years have shown the religious right that they don&#039;t have the science to back up their claims, so they went out and bought and paid for some.  That it doesn&#039;t even meet the bare requirement that the study itself says must be met is of no consequence.  They have their study to footnote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent years have shown the religious right that they don&#8217;t have the science to back up their claims, so they went out and bought and paid for some.  That it doesn&#8217;t even meet the bare requirement that the study itself says must be met is of no consequence.  They have their study to footnote.</p>
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		<title>By: olterigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>olterigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StraightGrandmother,

Thank you. YOU inspired me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StraightGrandmother,</p>
<p>Thank you. YOU inspired me.</p>
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		<title>By: StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>olterigo, LOVE your work. GREAT JOB! Look forward to reading more of your thoughts and observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>olterigo, LOVE your work. GREAT JOB! Look forward to reading more of your thoughts and observations.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie Gallagher is going on and on and on again about the importance of married biological moms and dads.
  Again, not making comparisons with those who come from similar situations to make a conclusion.
But the usual suspects pounce on that like hungry hyenas on carrion.

    Repeating the same lies and misinformation and calling it the truth only fools some pretty dumb and lazy people. The difference between OUR threads, and those generated from her Townhall article are remarkably different in who is well informed, and who isn&#039;t.
And who repeats the same stupidity over and over and who doesn&#039;t.
In fact, these conversations in TH haven&#039;t changed in the many years I&#039;ve been reading.
   A stupid person can&#039;t get past the same speed bumps and then neither can anyone else, no matter how many times they are presented with facts, answers and experienced people.
So. Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie Gallagher is going on and on and on again about the importance of married biological moms and dads.<br />
  Again, not making comparisons with those who come from similar situations to make a conclusion.<br />
But the usual suspects pounce on that like hungry hyenas on carrion.</p>
<p>    Repeating the same lies and misinformation and calling it the truth only fools some pretty dumb and lazy people. The difference between OUR threads, and those generated from her Townhall article are remarkably different in who is well informed, and who isn&#8217;t.<br />
And who repeats the same stupidity over and over and who doesn&#8217;t.<br />
In fact, these conversations in TH haven&#8217;t changed in the many years I&#8217;ve been reading.<br />
   A stupid person can&#8217;t get past the same speed bumps and then neither can anyone else, no matter how many times they are presented with facts, answers and experienced people.<br />
So. Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: olterigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>olterigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this way of listing the signatories would be more interesting.

Witherspoon Fellows and Senior Fellows marked with ^. Signatories to Witherspoon Institute&#039;s 2005 &quot;Marriage and the Public Good&quot;, wherein they call same-sex marriages one of the dangers to heterosexual marriages, are marked with *:

Byron Johnson *, ^
Douglas Allen, Simon Fraser University (Economics)
Peter Arcidiacono, Duke University (Economics)
John Bartkowski, University of Texas at San Antonio (Just 1 of 13 colleagues from the same Dept supports Regnerus? Where are the other 12?)
David Eggebeen* Penn State University
Michael Emerson* Rice University
Ana Cecilia Fieler, University of Pennsylvania (another Economist; International Trade and Development Economics; why not let English majors sign too?)
Alan Hawkins, Brigham Young University (testified in the Iowa Varnum case against same-sex couples)
William Jeynes, ^
Loren Marks, (unsuccessful witness at Prop 8, whom pro-prop8 side decided not to use after he was confronted with citing selectively from prior research, ignoring what he didn&#039;t like.)
Margarita Mooney ^
Stephen Robinson, University of North Carolina at Wilmington (yet another Economist)
Christian Smith, University of Notre Dame
Rodney Stark, writes books on religion
James Stoner*,^ Louisiana State University (Dept of Political Science)
Peter Uhlenberg, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
W. Bradford Wilcox, identified as ^ at Witherspoon as of 2011
Bradley Wright, University of Connecticut (mostly involved in research on criminality, homelessness, religion, and a couple of papers on fatherlessness)

Total: 5 Witherspoon Fellows or Senior Fellows, 4 Signatories to call to prohibit same-sex marriage, one witness in a same-sex marriage trial, one wannabee witness (who did a sloppy job in the run-up to the trial), a bunch of Economics professors, and many people who mostly write on Sociology of Religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this way of listing the signatories would be more interesting.</p>
<p>Witherspoon Fellows and Senior Fellows marked with ^. Signatories to Witherspoon Institute&#8217;s 2005 &#8220;Marriage and the Public Good&#8221;, wherein they call same-sex marriages one of the dangers to heterosexual marriages, are marked with *:</p>
<p>Byron Johnson *, ^<br />
Douglas Allen, Simon Fraser University (Economics)<br />
Peter Arcidiacono, Duke University (Economics)<br />
John Bartkowski, University of Texas at San Antonio (Just 1 of 13 colleagues from the same Dept supports Regnerus? Where are the other 12?)<br />
David Eggebeen* Penn State University<br />
Michael Emerson* Rice University<br />
Ana Cecilia Fieler, University of Pennsylvania (another Economist; International Trade and Development Economics; why not let English majors sign too?)<br />
Alan Hawkins, Brigham Young University (testified in the Iowa Varnum case against same-sex couples)<br />
William Jeynes, ^<br />
Loren Marks, (unsuccessful witness at Prop 8, whom pro-prop8 side decided not to use after he was confronted with citing selectively from prior research, ignoring what he didn&#8217;t like.)<br />
Margarita Mooney ^<br />
Stephen Robinson, University of North Carolina at Wilmington (yet another Economist)<br />
Christian Smith, University of Notre Dame<br />
Rodney Stark, writes books on religion<br />
James Stoner*,^ Louisiana State University (Dept of Political Science)<br />
Peter Uhlenberg, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill<br />
W. Bradford Wilcox, identified as ^ at Witherspoon as of 2011<br />
Bradley Wright, University of Connecticut (mostly involved in research on criminality, homelessness, religion, and a couple of papers on fatherlessness)</p>
<p>Total: 5 Witherspoon Fellows or Senior Fellows, 4 Signatories to call to prohibit same-sex marriage, one witness in a same-sex marriage trial, one wannabee witness (who did a sloppy job in the run-up to the trial), a bunch of Economics professors, and many people who mostly write on Sociology of Religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of these people assume that because God finds same sex relationships sinful, it just HAS to be true that kids with parents in same sex relationships suffer. They have already made up their minds before any evidence has come in.

These are the same sort of people who think that anyone who claims to be happy and actively gay is either delusional or a liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of these people assume that because God finds same sex relationships sinful, it just HAS to be true that kids with parents in same sex relationships suffer. They have already made up their minds before any evidence has come in.</p>
<p>These are the same sort of people who think that anyone who claims to be happy and actively gay is either delusional or a liar.</p>
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