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	<title>Comments on: The Daily Agenda for Saturday, June 23</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for giving Turing a proper write-up here.  Truly one of the most significant contributors to the WWII war effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for giving Turing a proper write-up here.  Truly one of the most significant contributors to the WWII war effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 02:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on all the stories for June the 23rd.  All stories are extremely interesting and make it clear that the fight for GLBT rights has been difficult and is an important part of the fight for basic human rights in this country and throughout our world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on all the stories for June the 23rd.  All stories are extremely interesting and make it clear that the fight for GLBT rights has been difficult and is an important part of the fight for basic human rights in this country and throughout our world.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Kraemer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Kraemer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Alan Turing was gay has been a well known fact for years, but I was still pleased to see it mentioned in an internationally distributed professional electrical and computer engineering magazine column by &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/profiles/turing-and-the-test-of-time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Hodges, &quot;Turing and the Test of Time, Celebrating Alan Turing&#039;s fundamental contributions to the computer age,&quot; IEEE Spectrum, June 2012, p. 8&lt;/A&gt;. 

Not many years ago, I am sure that any reference to Alan Turing being gay would have been censored by the editor ostensibly for being irrelevant and inappropriate for a professional engineering magazine. I compliment the editor and see this editorial decision as another sign of progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Alan Turing was gay has been a well known fact for years, but I was still pleased to see it mentioned in an internationally distributed professional electrical and computer engineering magazine column by <a href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/profiles/turing-and-the-test-of-time" rel="nofollow">Andrew Hodges, &#8220;Turing and the Test of Time, Celebrating Alan Turing&#8217;s fundamental contributions to the computer age,&#8221; IEEE Spectrum, June 2012, p. 8</a>. </p>
<p>Not many years ago, I am sure that any reference to Alan Turing being gay would have been censored by the editor ostensibly for being irrelevant and inappropriate for a professional engineering magazine. I compliment the editor and see this editorial decision as another sign of progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hue-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was not entirely obvious to Princetonians that this brilliant but shy graduate student would have such a legacy.   As Turing himself noted in a letter home to his mother, it was hard to be recognized when Einstein and von Neumann were just down the hall.&quot; http://www.princeton.edu/turing/alan/

I read the brother&#039;s story at the Daily Beast and noted that he didn&#039;t even mention Turing&#039;s time at Princeton; the Princeton link: &quot;When the Princeton Alumni Weekly did its assessment of the most influential Princeton alumni of all time, Turing placed second behind only James Madison.&quot;

Is it too much of an exaggeration to suggest that without Turing, we&#039;d be working our slide rules... in German?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was not entirely obvious to Princetonians that this brilliant but shy graduate student would have such a legacy.   As Turing himself noted in a letter home to his mother, it was hard to be recognized when Einstein and von Neumann were just down the hall.&#8221; <a href="http://www.princeton.edu/turing/alan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.princeton.edu/turing/alan/</a></p>
<p>I read the brother&#8217;s story at the Daily Beast and noted that he didn&#8217;t even mention Turing&#8217;s time at Princeton; the Princeton link: &#8220;When the Princeton Alumni Weekly did its assessment of the most influential Princeton alumni of all time, Turing placed second behind only James Madison.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it too much of an exaggeration to suggest that without Turing, we&#8217;d be working our slide rules&#8230; in German?!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enigma was never considered unbreakable. No code is. It&#039;s just a matter of how much time you invest in it or how much you can speed it up. The Germans weren&#039;t surprised so much that it was cracked, but that someone had gone to such great lengths to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enigma was never considered unbreakable. No code is. It&#8217;s just a matter of how much time you invest in it or how much you can speed it up. The Germans weren&#8217;t surprised so much that it was cracked, but that someone had gone to such great lengths to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to read about the Jennings case.

One quibble: it&#039;s popular to conflate the Plymouth colony with the Puritans of The Mass Bay Colony but they were quite separate. The Pilgrims had not lived in England for some 11 years. They were Brownists, who didn&#039;t believe in personal property, owning land, or conducting marriage services - which they regarded as a function of the state. The moved to Leyden but grew concerned that their children would grow up Dutch - that was their stated reason for removing themselves to the New World where they could await their Lord&#039;s return in peace - which is what began the migration. To finance the trip they sold places, many were not even part of the congregation. They had to abandon one of the two ships they bought (it&#039;s thought that the captain crammed on too much sail which made the ship spring leaks) and left Plymouth too late in the year in a state of disarray.

Pretty much everything that could go wrong did, and half of them died that first winter. But slowly they began to find their feet. One particularly striking aspect of them was the care they took to respect the native people, unlike the Mass Bay Colony. However, after 20 years there were so few settlers left in Plymouth they didn&#039;t have enough for a congregation and closed the church. William Bradford, first governor, reckoned the colony to have been a failure.

If we reckon the Mayflower Compact to be the first constitution-like document of what would become the US, its intent takes on an added weight. It was drawn up at the behest of the non-religious passengers to protect them from living under the religious beliefs of the congregation. Separation, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to read about the Jennings case.</p>
<p>One quibble: it&#8217;s popular to conflate the Plymouth colony with the Puritans of The Mass Bay Colony but they were quite separate. The Pilgrims had not lived in England for some 11 years. They were Brownists, who didn&#8217;t believe in personal property, owning land, or conducting marriage services &#8211; which they regarded as a function of the state. The moved to Leyden but grew concerned that their children would grow up Dutch &#8211; that was their stated reason for removing themselves to the New World where they could await their Lord&#8217;s return in peace &#8211; which is what began the migration. To finance the trip they sold places, many were not even part of the congregation. They had to abandon one of the two ships they bought (it&#8217;s thought that the captain crammed on too much sail which made the ship spring leaks) and left Plymouth too late in the year in a state of disarray.</p>
<p>Pretty much everything that could go wrong did, and half of them died that first winter. But slowly they began to find their feet. One particularly striking aspect of them was the care they took to respect the native people, unlike the Mass Bay Colony. However, after 20 years there were so few settlers left in Plymouth they didn&#8217;t have enough for a congregation and closed the church. William Bradford, first governor, reckoned the colony to have been a failure.</p>
<p>If we reckon the Mayflower Compact to be the first constitution-like document of what would become the US, its intent takes on an added weight. It was drawn up at the behest of the non-religious passengers to protect them from living under the religious beliefs of the congregation. Separation, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: F Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>F Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The tour is part voter registration drive...&quot;

The Democratic Party should similarly be taking advantage of Pride parades and festivals to do voter registration, which could well decide the election. Are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The tour is part voter registration drive&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The Democratic Party should similarly be taking advantage of Pride parades and festivals to do voter registration, which could well decide the election. Are they?</p>
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