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	<title>Comments on: Minnesota for Marriage is Lying Again</title>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with those who want to discriminate for religious reasons and run a business open to the public, cannot and will not cite doing so to HETS who meet their religious objections as well.
  Their discrimination is and can only be VERY selective and INCONSISTENT to it&#039;s own purpose.

    These are people who want to control the lives of others who are not volunteering or sharing in their religion and couldn&#039;t.
    One can choose what business to be in, and what religion to have.
    The public can&#039;t know what religion that is, nor could the public be expected to change their lives around another person&#039;s religious choice.

    This is why zoning for businesses, certification for certain kinds of services and for profit businesses require non discrimination permits when operating.

    You&#039;re either have to commit to EQUAL discrimination, or equal accommodation.
 Both are possible AND permitted, actually.
  But we all know these businesses wouldn&#039;t last long or wouldn&#039;t profit as much, if they committed fully to their religious beliefs consistently.

    This is why I maintain that the Catholic Church should get out of the health care business and perhaps adoption as well.
  Their beliefs conflict with the Hippocratic oath of first doing no harm.
  When those beliefs, especially harm women and babies, and cannot reconcile with current technology and new methods of care, then they don&#039;t want to actually give CARE, but CONTROL.
  And it&#039;s inevitable that women, and gay people are going to be the most adversely affected by religious influence on the things a person has NO choice over.

  Their gender, their sexual orientation, and their needs when it comes to love, family and health.

  Rather than blame the gay community and call it a restriction of religious beliefs to NOT accommodate gay people in public access, the truth is, these faith communities can&#039;t be trusted to stick to a contract or even any directives their own religion has if it&#039;s inconvenient to their profits and control of other&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with those who want to discriminate for religious reasons and run a business open to the public, cannot and will not cite doing so to HETS who meet their religious objections as well.<br />
  Their discrimination is and can only be VERY selective and INCONSISTENT to it&#8217;s own purpose.</p>
<p>    These are people who want to control the lives of others who are not volunteering or sharing in their religion and couldn&#8217;t.<br />
    One can choose what business to be in, and what religion to have.<br />
    The public can&#8217;t know what religion that is, nor could the public be expected to change their lives around another person&#8217;s religious choice.</p>
<p>    This is why zoning for businesses, certification for certain kinds of services and for profit businesses require non discrimination permits when operating.</p>
<p>    You&#8217;re either have to commit to EQUAL discrimination, or equal accommodation.<br />
 Both are possible AND permitted, actually.<br />
  But we all know these businesses wouldn&#8217;t last long or wouldn&#8217;t profit as much, if they committed fully to their religious beliefs consistently.</p>
<p>    This is why I maintain that the Catholic Church should get out of the health care business and perhaps adoption as well.<br />
  Their beliefs conflict with the Hippocratic oath of first doing no harm.<br />
  When those beliefs, especially harm women and babies, and cannot reconcile with current technology and new methods of care, then they don&#8217;t want to actually give CARE, but CONTROL.<br />
  And it&#8217;s inevitable that women, and gay people are going to be the most adversely affected by religious influence on the things a person has NO choice over.</p>
<p>  Their gender, their sexual orientation, and their needs when it comes to love, family and health.</p>
<p>  Rather than blame the gay community and call it a restriction of religious beliefs to NOT accommodate gay people in public access, the truth is, these faith communities can&#8217;t be trusted to stick to a contract or even any directives their own religion has if it&#8217;s inconvenient to their profits and control of other&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your religion tells you that you can only perform services for people you like, then you need to get out of public businesses and start a church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your religion tells you that you can only perform services for people you like, then you need to get out of public businesses and start a church.</p>
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		<title>By: Secret Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secret Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can state the other side&#039;s response, without agreeing with it.

When the point is made that New Jersey, New Mexico, and (in 2001) California don&#039;t have gay marriage, the other side responds along the lines of: &quot;True, but enacting gay marriage into law would further embolden homosexual activists into pursuing these kinds of lawsuits.&quot;

One can set aside the spooky shadow that the warning about &quot;emboldening&quot; gay people has from the dark incantations of years ago about &quot;uppity&quot; members of other minority groups who did not &quot;know their place.&quot;

We are, however, back to the issue of defending the anti-discrimination laws, and stating why they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can state the other side&#8217;s response, without agreeing with it.</p>
<p>When the point is made that New Jersey, New Mexico, and (in 2001) California don&#8217;t have gay marriage, the other side responds along the lines of: &#8220;True, but enacting gay marriage into law would further embolden homosexual activists into pursuing these kinds of lawsuits.&#8221;</p>
<p>One can set aside the spooky shadow that the warning about &#8220;emboldening&#8221; gay people has from the dark incantations of years ago about &#8220;uppity&#8221; members of other minority groups who did not &#8220;know their place.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are, however, back to the issue of defending the anti-discrimination laws, and stating why they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The third word in my post should be discrimination.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third word in my post should be discrimination.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They cite discrination cases because (1) those are the only ones available to cite, since courts have been ruling in favor of marriage equality, and (2) the same people who oppose marriage equality oppose laws protecting against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.  Make no mistake -- they want to see those nondiscrimination laws eliminated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They cite discrination cases because (1) those are the only ones available to cite, since courts have been ruling in favor of marriage equality, and (2) the same people who oppose marriage equality oppose laws protecting against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.  Make no mistake &#8212; they want to see those nondiscrimination laws eliminated.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now even though the physician did offer to refer the couple to other physicians who would willingly serve them...&lt;/i&gt;

More lies.  Yes they made a referral... to a clinic that wasn&#039;t covered by her health plan and which cost her thousands of dollars.

I might possibly be receptive to the idea that they should not be forced to perform services that contradict their beliefs, IF THEY HADN&#039;T ALREADY TAKEN MONEY TO PROVIDE SUCH SERVICES.  If your religion says that you can only provide services to people you like, then you&#039;d better be operating a cash business and not benefiting from the work of her hands (remember insurance is part of a compensation package).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now even though the physician did offer to refer the couple to other physicians who would willingly serve them&#8230;</i></p>
<p>More lies.  Yes they made a referral&#8230; to a clinic that wasn&#8217;t covered by her health plan and which cost her thousands of dollars.</p>
<p>I might possibly be receptive to the idea that they should not be forced to perform services that contradict their beliefs, IF THEY HADN&#8217;T ALREADY TAKEN MONEY TO PROVIDE SUCH SERVICES.  If your religion says that you can only provide services to people you like, then you&#8217;d better be operating a cash business and not benefiting from the work of her hands (remember insurance is part of a compensation package).</p>
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