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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith said &quot;But it is fair to say that in general, it made blue jeans less universally loved and more associated with politics, tedium and contention. A net loss for blue jeans.&quot;.

I&#039;d say it had no effect whatsoever on how people felt about blue jeans - I never heard anything about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smith said &#8220;But it is fair to say that in general, it made blue jeans less universally loved and more associated with politics, tedium and contention. A net loss for blue jeans.&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it had no effect whatsoever on how people felt about blue jeans &#8211; I never heard anything about this.</p>
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		<title>By: chiMaxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiMaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I didn&#039;t get back right away. Yes, the resized picture works fine. I&#039;m using Chrome Mac, and my browser window is 1282 pixels wide, which made the center column 540 pixels wide. The picture was wider than that. It&#039;s a theme issue involving the column floats, and you should probably have some JS in place that will dynamically change the dimensions of photos that are wider than the center column.

After all that, I agree with Timothy on the content of this article and was paraphrasing him for most of the day. This one-day spike of supporters will not offset the number of people who over the long term don&#039;t want to wear the brand of being customers of the anti-gay chicken place and will just consistently, quietly, without making a big deal say &quot;Why don&#039;t we go somewhere else?&quot;

The aldermen and mayors who were going to block CFA from coming in were shameful, yes, but that won&#039;t last as long in people&#039;s minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t get back right away. Yes, the resized picture works fine. I&#8217;m using Chrome Mac, and my browser window is 1282 pixels wide, which made the center column 540 pixels wide. The picture was wider than that. It&#8217;s a theme issue involving the column floats, and you should probably have some JS in place that will dynamically change the dimensions of photos that are wider than the center column.</p>
<p>After all that, I agree with Timothy on the content of this article and was paraphrasing him for most of the day. This one-day spike of supporters will not offset the number of people who over the long term don&#8217;t want to wear the brand of being customers of the anti-gay chicken place and will just consistently, quietly, without making a big deal say &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we go somewhere else?&#8221;</p>
<p>The aldermen and mayors who were going to block CFA from coming in were shameful, yes, but that won&#8217;t last as long in people&#8217;s minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this analysis is spot on.  This reminds me of a phenomenon that occurred in the 1980s called Blue Jeans Day.  If anyone remembers, a number of gay groups on college campuses in the 80s declared a certain day to be Blue Jeans Day, meaning that those who supported gay rights were to wear blue jeans.  Of course, the majority of students wore blue jeans as a matter of course, so those students would now be &quot;making a statement&quot; by doing something that they did on a daily basis.  

The stunt here was to imbue a political meaning into an ordinary daily act.  Now, you were aware that if you wore the same blue jeans that you wore last week, you would be disclosing that you were soft on the gays, and might possibly be gay yourself.  On the other hand, if you went out of your way to alter your attire on that day, that too would be a statement about gays.  The point was to force people to think about the whole issue in the way that gay people are forced to think about disclosure and their identity every day.  

It was an interesting phenomenon and people reacted to it differently.  But it is fair to say that in general, it made blue jeans less universally loved and more associated with politics, tedium and contention.  A net loss for blue jeans.  And I think, thanks to Huckabee and Santorum and FRC and NOM who have created a chicken version of Blue Jeans Day, this affair will be a net loss for Chick Fil A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this analysis is spot on.  This reminds me of a phenomenon that occurred in the 1980s called Blue Jeans Day.  If anyone remembers, a number of gay groups on college campuses in the 80s declared a certain day to be Blue Jeans Day, meaning that those who supported gay rights were to wear blue jeans.  Of course, the majority of students wore blue jeans as a matter of course, so those students would now be &#8220;making a statement&#8221; by doing something that they did on a daily basis.  </p>
<p>The stunt here was to imbue a political meaning into an ordinary daily act.  Now, you were aware that if you wore the same blue jeans that you wore last week, you would be disclosing that you were soft on the gays, and might possibly be gay yourself.  On the other hand, if you went out of your way to alter your attire on that day, that too would be a statement about gays.  The point was to force people to think about the whole issue in the way that gay people are forced to think about disclosure and their identity every day.  </p>
<p>It was an interesting phenomenon and people reacted to it differently.  But it is fair to say that in general, it made blue jeans less universally loved and more associated with politics, tedium and contention.  A net loss for blue jeans.  And I think, thanks to Huckabee and Santorum and FRC and NOM who have created a chicken version of Blue Jeans Day, this affair will be a net loss for Chick Fil A.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it was legal or not for those mayors to deny Chickfila a license because of their gay marriage views, I think it was a bad move for them to make politically because now the Religious Right will be able to use this as proof that the gay agenda wants to eradicate Christianity and take away their religious freedom and whatever.  On the other hand, I thought the Religious Rights were in love with that whole &quot;states&#039; rights&quot; argument?  Isn&#039;t that the justification they always use for their votes on gay marriage?  So if individual states can vote on whether or not to ban gay marriage, why can&#039;t individual states vote on whether or not to ban Chickfila?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it was legal or not for those mayors to deny Chickfila a license because of their gay marriage views, I think it was a bad move for them to make politically because now the Religious Right will be able to use this as proof that the gay agenda wants to eradicate Christianity and take away their religious freedom and whatever.  On the other hand, I thought the Religious Rights were in love with that whole &#8220;states&#8217; rights&#8221; argument?  Isn&#8217;t that the justification they always use for their votes on gay marriage?  So if individual states can vote on whether or not to ban gay marriage, why can&#8217;t individual states vote on whether or not to ban Chickfila?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out the part where politicians made explicit threats to deny permits based solely on an exercise of free speech.  Moreno, Emanuel and Menino  escalated this,  not Huckabee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out the part where politicians made explicit threats to deny permits based solely on an exercise of free speech.  Moreno, Emanuel and Menino  escalated this,  not Huckabee.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you give too much credence to the fact that Huckabee &quot;no one, I repeat NO ONE, is &#039;showing I’m opposed to those perverts&#039; or even &#039;fighting the homosexual agenda&#039; (or, at least, not while the cameras are on).&quot;

And that is important – more important than today’s bump in sales for the chicken filleters. Today’s battle is over an issue that those who oppose us are afraid to articulate.&quot;

A) That&#039;s not entirely true. On facebook and youtube and other social media, there are lots of examples of gay bashing.

b) People who give interviews generally don&#039;t want to paint themselves as too extreme. They have either been trained by media experts or have deliberately decided to give bigotry a pleasant face. That, by the way, is one reason you can&#039;t trust polls. And, besides, in this case, which is fueled by right-wing Christians, there is a long tradition of hating the sin and loving the sinner, so that is what they want to project. All those grinning Southern Baptists deny that they hate homosexuals, just like their grandparents denied they were racists.

c) For a very long time, those opposed to same-sex marriage have been unable to articulate any real reason for their opposition to ssm. They can only talk about their defense of tradition and their religious beliefs. In other words, their opposition to ssm is deeply rooted in homophobia. That, however, does not deprive them of a right to vote.

d) As aloof as you want to be from this controversy, it is one that we need to pay very close attention to. All this chicken stuffing is a demonstration of hatred toward homosexuals. (As if these people ever really cared for free speech for anyone other than themselves.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you give too much credence to the fact that Huckabee &#8220;no one, I repeat NO ONE, is &#8216;showing I’m opposed to those perverts&#8217; or even &#8216;fighting the homosexual agenda&#8217; (or, at least, not while the cameras are on).&#8221;</p>
<p>And that is important – more important than today’s bump in sales for the chicken filleters. Today’s battle is over an issue that those who oppose us are afraid to articulate.&#8221;</p>
<p>A) That&#8217;s not entirely true. On facebook and youtube and other social media, there are lots of examples of gay bashing.</p>
<p>b) People who give interviews generally don&#8217;t want to paint themselves as too extreme. They have either been trained by media experts or have deliberately decided to give bigotry a pleasant face. That, by the way, is one reason you can&#8217;t trust polls. And, besides, in this case, which is fueled by right-wing Christians, there is a long tradition of hating the sin and loving the sinner, so that is what they want to project. All those grinning Southern Baptists deny that they hate homosexuals, just like their grandparents denied they were racists.</p>
<p>c) For a very long time, those opposed to same-sex marriage have been unable to articulate any real reason for their opposition to ssm. They can only talk about their defense of tradition and their religious beliefs. In other words, their opposition to ssm is deeply rooted in homophobia. That, however, does not deprive them of a right to vote.</p>
<p>d) As aloof as you want to be from this controversy, it is one that we need to pay very close attention to. All this chicken stuffing is a demonstration of hatred toward homosexuals. (As if these people ever really cared for free speech for anyone other than themselves.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is hacking goin gon here, someone has hacked at least the contributors accounts and a few others.  This needs to be fixed!</description>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the part where you wrote, &quot; He’s a “Standing up for Jesus and the Family” type of bigot, not a “God Hates Fags” type of bigot.&quot;

I&#039;ve long argued that whether they realize it or not, a lot of mainstream Christians are glad the WBC is out there.  Westboro allows the more gentle Christians to say &quot;hey I&#039;m opposed to gay people, but I&#039;m not *that* kind of person.&quot;

Which I just don&#039;t buy.  When it comes to gay rights, whether or not a Christian is protesting funerals isn&#039;t important - it&#039;s their opinions that are important.

And besides, isn&#039;t it always conservatives who are bemoaning the fact that moderate Muslims aren&#039;t calling out the crazy Muslims?  Why can&#039;t they do some self-reflection and see how they&#039;re not doing the exact same thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the part where you wrote, &#8221; He’s a “Standing up for Jesus and the Family” type of bigot, not a “God Hates Fags” type of bigot.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long argued that whether they realize it or not, a lot of mainstream Christians are glad the WBC is out there.  Westboro allows the more gentle Christians to say &#8220;hey I&#8217;m opposed to gay people, but I&#8217;m not *that* kind of person.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which I just don&#8217;t buy.  When it comes to gay rights, whether or not a Christian is protesting funerals isn&#8217;t important &#8211; it&#8217;s their opinions that are important.</p>
<p>And besides, isn&#8217;t it always conservatives who are bemoaning the fact that moderate Muslims aren&#8217;t calling out the crazy Muslims?  Why can&#8217;t they do some self-reflection and see how they&#8217;re not doing the exact same thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s been annoying me are my Facebook fundie friends posting cutesy memes and photoshopped pictures of pro-Chickfila Mcdonald&#039;s signs all over their Facebook practically every day.  I didn&#039;t spam my Facebook with Oreo memes.  Why can&#039;t they move on to something else already?  I&#039;m tired of hearing about Chickfila and it depresses me to visit my Facebook account now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s been annoying me are my Facebook fundie friends posting cutesy memes and photoshopped pictures of pro-Chickfila Mcdonald&#8217;s signs all over their Facebook practically every day.  I didn&#8217;t spam my Facebook with Oreo memes.  Why can&#8217;t they move on to something else already?  I&#8217;m tired of hearing about Chickfila and it depresses me to visit my Facebook account now.</p>
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