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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyAugust 26th, 2012
This video is from a group opposing same-sex marriage, but how on earth can it be interpreted as anything but an argument for letting same-sex parents marry?
The fact that they can’t see they’re destroying their own argument is another sign that they can’t win this thing in the long haul. Something is blinding them to their own truth. Call it bigotry, hate, homophobia, or silliness. Eventually, truth will out — especially when they’re the ones promoting it.
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David in Houston
August 26th, 2012
Not only do they make a good argument why children being raised by gay parents should be able to marry, but in their attempt to demonize gay couples they do exactly the same thing to ALL opposite-sex families that aren’t headed by a biological mother and father. So single-parent families are spat upon, step-parents are less than, and adoptive parents make horrible parents by comparison. Yet, oddly enough, all of those heterosexual groups are allowed to marry, even if their situation isn’t as optimal as those utopian biological parents. But Kalley didn’t mention that. I wonder why?
mikenola
August 26th, 2012
ROB, sad to say but the fly in your logic is that in their hate filled minds SSM is not a marriage even if reality and law says it is.
They and their supporters will never see the hilarity in this and certainly never see the source of their statement for its vital lack…information about gay parents/families.
Richard Rush
August 26th, 2012
The unspoken implication is always that those married moms and dads are the idyllic perfect parents raising beautiful perfect children.
They never mention, hoping no one will think about, all the children’s lives made miserable by married moms and dads who are often woefully ill-equiped to be parents, and/or who may end up divorced leaving the children to shuttle between households – assuming that both parents even want to see the children. And then there is all the rampant irresponsible breeding to exacerbate the problem.
But the real threat to children is having gay parents.
Truthspew
August 26th, 2012
I usually enjoy taking down The MN Marriage Minute videos. But this one, yeah they’re coming off the rails!
esurience
August 26th, 2012
Their ad would be a great counter-argument to someone who wants to do away with the institution of marriage entirely.
I know they believe that allowing gay and lesbian people to marry will either undermine the institution of marriage or lead to its collapse entirely, but what they seem to forget to do is actually argue that case.
Instead, they give us an argument about how great marriage is. But that’s not the part that (most of us) disagree with!
Unfortunately, I’m sure they have evidence from focus groups and the like that this tactic works.
People seem to think that the conclusion “same-sex marriage must be banned” follows from the premise that “heterosexual marriage is good” — but of course it doesn’t, and they’ve never mustered an explicit, compelling argument connecting those two dots. They very rarely even bother to try.
Bose in St. Peter MN
August 27th, 2012
The thing that grabbed me is M4M’s use of (less than 25% of) Michelangelo’s The Creation of Adam in the background to reinforce that God Created Marriage.
The piece is about breathing the spark of life into Adam, not marriage.
To use it, they had to crop out (fully or mostly) the faces of several childlike angels, and of course, any below-the-waist angel anatomy.
Most amazingly, the entire existence of Adam had to be excised before it could be of value to M4M. Using their portion of the piece, God could be using his finger as a magic wand: Abracadabra, There Shalt Be Marriage! Or, God wagging a finger: There shall be marriage, but only one kind, and no other, forever and ever, Amen!
But, the focus of the piece wasn’t God’s command to the Earth, it was the hand of God reaching out to touch one man, reaching not from distant heavens to strike like a lightning bolt, but making eye contact, and the gentle touch of one finger to another.
Oh yeah, and Adam wasn’t a meek and trembling wisp of a guy, hiding from God, Michelangelo saw him as a beautifully muscled creation of God, well equipped to take on the physical challenges of the new world.
Since Adam was naked, though, maybe M4M found it unthinkable to include his hand or forearm… unconscionable that some see a loving connection between two masculine figures… and yet, Michelangelo’s homoerotic poetry, sculpture, and paintings weren’t enough to prevent M4M from making political hay by misrepresenting his work.
See the Creation of Adam, in full, here.
Ben in Oakland
August 27th, 2012
And this is why I object to nearly every ad I,ve seen for our side.
If I were running our campaign, I would have a gay family with children in it, explaining why marriage is important and matters to them. Then I would say, “we agree with the Minnesota Hate the Gays campaign ( though of course we would n’t say that,) marriage is important for the stability of families. We want that stability for OUR children, and they are every bit as important as yours. ”
But no. We’ll just show Gram and Gramps talking about their gay child whom they can’t actually acknowledge by showing them.
jerry
August 28th, 2012
None of these anti-gay groups who want to deny civil rights for gays seem to notice that there are a lot of children of heterosexual parents in child protective services because those heterosexual parents weren’t all that good. So far no one has mentioned that there don’t seem to be any instances of a child taken away from a gay parent for any other reason than the parent is gay and is most often the result of a nasty divorce.
I know there must be poor gay parents but if any gay parent had been charged with child endangerment or abuse, these groups like NOM and FRC would be trumpeting it to high heaven.
Ken
August 28th, 2012
I agree with Rick Santorum: if we let a man marry a woman, a man is going to want to marry two women, and that will lead us to polygamy.
My point is that the anti-gay arguments are so stupid they can be turned around constructively.
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